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The Music, Learning, Conversation podcast explores the intersections between music, education and learning that lead to innovative practices. Hosted by Andy Scott and Jonathan Savage, we explore these themes with guests from across the worlds of education and the wider music industry.
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Keys to Music Learning

Krista Jadro and Hannah Mayo

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The Keys to Music Learning podcast discusses common goals and challenges in the piano studio, and offers research-based ideas and solutions to guide every one of your students to reach their full musical potential with audiation.
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In this series, Chris Liscio will show you tips & tricks for figuring out your favorite songs using Capo for the Mac and iPhone/iPad (http://capoapp.com).Episodes range from basic ear training exercises to in-depth Capo tricks that'll help you figure out your favorite music faster.
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This will talk about the best ways for you to teach your students. Not just things on music, but things that will help a student later in life. Things like good manners and can help get them a job. Cover art photo provided by Elijah M. Henderson on Unsplash: https://unsplash.com/@elijahhenderson
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In this conversation, Andy and Jonathan chat with Gwilym Simcock, one of the world's most gifted pianists and imaginative composers. Gwilym moves effortlessly between jazz and classical music, with a ‘harmonic sophistication and subtle dovetailing of musical traditions’. His influences are wide ranging, from jazz legends including Keith Jarrett, Ch…
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In Part 2 of our episode with Gregory Chase, we dive into the neuroscience research that validates audiation based-music lessons. Everything from the science of BAH and BUM, the importance of rhythm in the first months of life, why it's important to sing songs many times in the same keyality and in various tonalities and meters, and why students ma…
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Welcome to the Music Learning Conversation podcast! Our second series of opens with a conversation with David Barnard. David has had a wide-ranging career in music education. He started life as a bass trombonist in the Royal Corp of Signals, before moving into education, eventually becoming Director of the Swindon Music Service. From this, David be…
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In part 1 of this deep dive, Gregory Chase joins Krista and Hannah to discuss how neuroscience can help us understand how children learn music, including structuring lesson time, the importance of first three years, and the impact of hormones on learning. How the Brain Learns - David Sousa Bright from the Start - Jill Stamm Boy Smarts - Barry McDon…
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In this episode, Sarah McCaffrey Ritchie continues the discussion with managing teachers and students, parental involvement in music lessons, the school's philosophy for practice, making music practice a habit, and the importance of discipline and joyful learning. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us …
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We are so excited to talk to Sarah McCaffrey Ritchie once again for our first episode of Season 3! In this episode, Sarah discusses her music school, Songs with Sarah, including the the importance of outreach, managing 10 teachers (including five Music Moves for Piano teachers) and 400 students, summer camps, and professional development. Whether o…
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We are so excited to begin Season 3 of Keys to Music Learning! In this intro, Hannah and Krista discuss their summer highlights and the focus of the upcoming season. If you'd like to support the podcast, we'd love to have you join the community! Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introd…
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Welcome to the Music Learning Conversation podcast! Today's special guest is John Helliwell - saxophonist, clarinettist, keyboard player & backing vocalist with the wonderful band Supertramp. No doubt you'll remember hits such as ‘The Logical Song’, ‘Dreamer’ & ‘It’s Raining Again’. John's sound and style are so distinctive and are part of the soun…
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Welcome to the Music, Learning, Conversation podcast. Our special guest in this episode is Rick Jupp. After spending over 30 years as co-founder, co-songwriter and drummer in the band Elbow, Richard left the band to explore his passion for teaching and mentoring musicians of all ages and abilities, researching the physical and mental benefits of dr…
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In this episode, Andy and Jonathan chat to John Barber, the Director of the Love Music Trust, principal trombonist with the world famous Fodens' Band, teacher and author. John is enjoying a fantastic career in music education and our conversation is wide-ranging, embracing reflections on the experiences and people that have shaped his life, as well…
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In this episode of Music, Learning, Conversation we chat with Will Evans. Will is a Senior Lecturer in Music Education at Manchester Metropolitan University, leader of the PGCE in Music and PGCE in Music with Specialist Instrument Teaching run by Manchester Metropolitan University with the Royal Northern College of Music, a brilliant tuba player wi…
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In this episode of Music, Learning, Conversation, we chat to Polly Moore, the Chief Executive of Restore the Music UK. As a leading charity in its field, Restore the Music funds music provision to state schools in areas of high deprivation, delivering grant programmes that offer all young people an alternative future to the norm. The charity has gr…
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In this episode of Music, Learning, Conversation, we are joined by Alice Chesterman. Alice is the Head of Creative Learning at Digit Music. Digit Music’s mission ​​is to remove barriers to music through innovation and easy-to-use technology, supporting musicians of all abilities and disabilities. Prior to this, Alice was the Creative Learning Manag…
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In this episode of Music, Learning, Conversation we are delighted to welcome Robbie Gardiner. Robbie is the Programme Lead for Music Education at the Royal Northern College of Music. He has a particular interest in whole-class music pedagogies and the combination of instrumental and curricular music education within schools. In our conversation, we…
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Welcome to the second episode of Music, Learning, Conversation. We are delighted to welcome you to this new series of podcasts exploring the different ways in which we learn about music. In this episode, we welcome Ben Higham. Ben is a classically trained musician who for the last thirty-five years has worked as a professional performer in the fiel…
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In our debut Music Learning Conversation podcast we welcome Rob Cope! Rob is a performer, educator, and host of his own podcast The Jazz Podcast. Expect discussions about writing and recording improvised music, the music learning journey and beyond. Music Learning Conversation is hosted by Jonathan Savage and Andy Scott, and is a UCAN Play podcast.…
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In our final community chat episode with Jenny, she shares incredibly important advice for both new and seasoned teachers. Webinar Links Movement Motivators Make Way for Play Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruction and Music Moves for Piano R…
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In this episode, Jenny talks to Krista and Hannah about her class piano at Eastern Michigan University, including how Music Learning Theory has changed their performances and the structure and books she uses in class. Webinar Links Movement Motivators Make Way for Play Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Joi…
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In this episode, Hannah and Krista talk to Jenny Fisher about her background and audiation journey. Jenny teaches functional piano classes for music majors/minors and group piano pedagogy at Eastern Michigan University and serves on the piano faculty for GIML (Gordon Institute for Music Learning). Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to …
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In this episode, Hannah and and Krista discuss a variety of topics including how they choose repertoire, teaching students to improvise and compose over chord progressions, and ways to guide your own audiation development. Links Pattern Power: Learning Piano Repertoire through Rhythm and Tonal Pattern Play: A free mini-webinar by Hannah Experimenta…
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In this episode, Hannah and Krista tackle questions talk about transitioning students to an audiation-based approach, reading ad writing music, and accelerated pacing of lesson plans. Video Overlapping Music Moves lessons with checklists Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction t…
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In this episode, Hannah and Krista answer questions from the the Facebook community! Topics include: books to get when first starting with Music Moves for Piano, what the mysterious "Create with TP" really means, and tips for recitals when students are in Keyboard Games and beyond. Links: Music Moves for Piano Books for getting started (Teacher's b…
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Our final episode with Gregory Chase explores advice for new teachers (remember...FIBAS), music aptitude testing, and Ars Nova, Greg's extensive resource for teaching notational audiation. Music Learning Theory for Newborn and Young Children, by Edwin Gordon An Overview of Music Aptitude, a free mini-webinar by Janna Olson Ars Nova de Audiation, re…
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In this episode, we welcome back Greg Chase to talk about how he jumped into Music Moves for Piano, including his challenges and successes. Greg also discusses the importance of early childhood music, how neuroscience supports Gordon’s research, and the important tie between Music Learning Theory, auditory processing disorder, and language acquisit…
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We are so happy to have Gregory Chase as our next community chat guest, a piano instructor and researcher from Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada. Greg maintains a piano teaching studio of around 20 students, of all ages and levels and has developed a comprehensive website to assist students in notational audiation. In this episode, he shares his musical…
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In this episode, Janna shares her advice for new teachers, including overcoming the initial struggles, fearlessly stepping into musicianship development, enjoying the process, and how Dr. Gordon advised her to handle the overwhelm. Janna also talks about her thoughts on bringing music to life and her favorite thing about teaching using an audiation…
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In this episode with guest Janna Olson, Janna focuses on the audiation-based piano method Music Moves for Piano, including connections to repertoire, challenges she had when first implementing the method, reframing the definition of success, the difference between counting and feeling rhythm, the importance of movement and shifting weight, and answ…
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Krista and Hannah are thrilled to welcome Janna Olson to the podcast. Janna has been using Music Moves for Piano in her studio for over 10 years. She is on the faculty of the Gordon Institute for Music Learning and is passionate about connecting piano pedagogy with recent research on how the musical mind works. In this episode, Janna discusses her …
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In her final episode, Felicity shares wonderful advice for new teachers (check out the links below) and reflects on how Music Learning Theory has made it possible for her to successfully bring music into the lives of every one of her students, regardless of music aptitude or ability. The Ways Children Learn Music, by Eric Bluestine Mind, Muscle, Mu…
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In this episode, Felicity discusses how she introduced Music Moves for Piano to her students and why she chose to delay telling parents. She also talks about specific challenges, such as overcoming the newness of moving, singing, and chanting and successes, such as her increased retention rate, the comfort students have at her recitals, and teachin…
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In this episode, Hannah and Krista welcome Felicity Breen from Perth, Australia. Felicity shares her music background, including why, despite having a wonderful piano teacher in her younger years, she stopped playing and how she came back to it. She also discusses the questions that led her to music learning theory and how her teaching goals change…
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In this episode, Scarlette talks about why she loves teaching using an audiation-based piano method and what it brings to the table that other methods might not. Music Moves for Piano Music Learning Academy Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruc…
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In this episode, Scarlette discusses the challenges of an audiation-based piano studio, and what she does to be one step ahead of parents questions and concerns. She also talks about the magic moments and how beautifully Music Moves for Piano complements her approach to technique. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Co…
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Meet Scarlette Kerr! Scarlette is a piano teacher in North Carolina who specializes in the Barbara Lister-Sink method of technique. In this episode, she talks about her audiation journey and how Music Learning Theory and Music Moves for Piano captured her attention. Music Learning Academy Gordon Institute for Music Learning The Ways Children Learn …
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In our final episode with early childhood and piano instructor, Sarah McCaffrey Ritchie, we talk about teaching Music Moves for Piano, including the challenges and joys of learning the method. Sarah also gives great advice to those just getting started with teaching piano with an audiation-based approach. Support Keys to Music Learning through the …
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In our second episode with Sarah McCaffrey Ritchie, we talk about the importance of early childhood music, running an audiation-based music school, and how to be one step ahead of skeptical parents. Early Audiation: Creating a musical bath for our littlest learners Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us…
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Hannah and Krista resume their community chats with Sarah McCaffrey Ritchie, owner and director of Songs with Sarah, a music school in Minneapolis offering audiation-based early childhood and piano classes. In this episode, Sarah talks about her audiation journey and discovery of Music Learning Theory and Music Moves for Piano. Support Keys to Musi…
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On September 16, 2022, we lost our dear friend and mentor Marilyn Lowe. Words cannot express how much she will be missed. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruction and Music Moves for Piano Ready to learn more about audiation-based piano instru…
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In the final episode with Sarah, she discusses the importance of continuing education and her experiences as she completes her graduate degree and heals playing related injuries with Dr. Barbara Lister-Sink. Our chat concludes with great advice from Sarah about how to balance it all and suggestions for getting started with audiation-based piano tea…
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In this episode, Sarah discusses tackling those first challenges of starting an audiation-based piano studio, including what she learned about diving in head first, how to communicate with skeptical parents, and words of wisdom that kept her going when she questioned her decision to use Music Moves for Piano. Support Keys to Music Learning through …
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In the first of three episodes, Sarah reflects on her audiation journey and how she introduced audiation-based piano teaching into her studio. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruction and Music Moves for Piano Ready to learn more about audiati…
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In this episode, Bo Yon talks about handling parent skepticism and her favorite thing about audiation-based piano instruction. She also gives not-to-be-missed advice to teachers just getting started! Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruction an…
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In this episode, Bo Yon shares her teaching philosophy, what sets Music Moves for Piano apart from other piano methods, and the challenges of running an audiation-based piano studio. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruction and Music Moves for…
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Meet Bo Yon Koh, accomplished pianist and co-director of the community music school of Music Inside Out in Toronto, Canada. In this episode, Bo Yon reflects on her audiation journey and how she introduced audiation-based piano teaching into her studio. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook!…
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In this episode, Paul talks about 4inspiration.org, a growing community that supports audiation-based piano studios with fun and creative recitals and events for students. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruction and Music Moves for Piano Read…
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In our second episode with Paul Jensen, we discuss the value of Music Learning Theory in the piano lesson and why the piano can be considered the composer's instrument. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruction and Music Moves for Piano Ready t…
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Meet Paul Jensen, a piano teacher in San Antonio, TX, and a wonderful member of the Music Moves for Piano community that Hannah and Krista met at the 2018 GIML PDLC. In this episode, Paul shares his audiation journey and experiences teaching MM4P to his own three children. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community!…
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What a joy talking to, the one and only, Andy Mullen about GIML PDLC’s and the upcoming Piano Level 1 and 2 courses in Burlington, MA. Listen and learn about what a PDLC is, logistics of the summer courses, how you can register, and why you should consider attending. Even if it’s not in the cards for you this summer, this is a great conversation wi…
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In the kick-off episode of Season 2, Hannah and Krista discuss the importance of community and how the community of audiation-based piano teachers has helped them over the years. Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruction and Music Moves for Pia…
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It's time for Season 2 of Keys to Music Learning. Listen to this short trailer to find out what this season will bring (we are SO excited)! Support Keys to Music Learning through the Keys to Music Learning Community! Join us on Facebook! Introduction to Audiation-based Piano Instruction and Music Moves for Piano Ready to learn more about audiation-…
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