最佳Following The Fire播客 (2024)

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62: Where Are We Going?: The different destinations of deconstruction 1:08:23

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Steve talks to Josh Kaiser, former pastor turned deconstruction coach, about the different places people tend to end up at the end of their deconstruction / faith journeys (if there even is an end). Josh has a lot of wisdom and insight to this whole crazy process, so be sure to give this one your time. Josh Kaiser’s TikTok: @theLocalHeretic Origen …

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61: Watching The Watchmen: Christian Nationalism isn’t going anywhere 1:13:37

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We read “The Watchman Decree” (and even hear a disturbing recitation of it) and discuss the implications of Christian Nationalism in America. What do we do about it? Can we do anything? Is maybe just a little bit okay? (Spoiler: No. No, it’s not) Following the Fire Facebook Group Plymouth Congregational United Church of Christ Free Dad Hugs shirt F…

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60: Make It Make Sense: Why do American Christians elevate horrible people? 1:04:53

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The things we lift up and admire say a lot about us. Why, then, do so many evangelical Christians in America lift up the worst of us like Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and others. Has Christianity always been like this? Is there any way to redeem it? Halloween was weirdly warm Nathan can only handle “evangelical scary” Steve has numbed himself to everyt…

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59: Embracing the F-Word: What is Feminism and how it can help us all be fully human 1:18:28

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Embracing the F-Word: What is Feminism and how it can help us all be fully human Special guest Alison Buxton joins us again to discuss that OTHER dirty f-word: Feminism. She tells us what it is, what it isn’t, and why it matters. The 2 dudes on this podcast learned a LOT from Alison, including how feminism is connected to everything in ways we didn…

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58: Fruitless: Why aren't Christians showing the Fruit of the Spirit? 1:10:31

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Nathan and Steve discuss the age-old conundrum of why Christians don’t show more of the Fruit of the Spirit than non-Christians. Spoiler-Alert! They remain frustrated. It’s dark outside, thus Nathan is tired Steve has been sleeping! Everyone should go to therapy (if possible) Steve talks about his neurological diseases in episode 28 Nathan needs mo…

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57: Your Biggest Heresy: How do your beliefs align with popular evangelical theology? 1:22:43

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Nathan and Steve go through the survey "The State of Theology" which was published recently and find that, not only are they both wildly heretical, but that the Ligonier group writes REALLY bad questions. Steve and Nathan are both exhausted because they’re privileged Nathan is overly concerned with the Trump Mar-a-Lago case Pep Band is fun Church i…

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56: Stuck in a loop: The struggles of faith when politics and people never change 1:40:51

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The USA Supreme Court keeps throwing us curveballs, the folks in Trumpland are still doing the same-ol', everything's burning and most people just want to watch. How are we supposed to handle this kind of crazy and still, somehow, follow God? It’s been a rough few weeks in the news Nathan is nervous about his opinions Nathan, however, has a lot of …

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55: Book Club: “Love Matters More” with the author, Jared Byas 1:01:33

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Love matters more… than what? How about EVERYTHING? Even being right? Yup. We had the privilege of speaking with Jared Byas (the author of “Love Matters More” and co-host of “The Bible for Normal People”) about his fantastic book. We discuss how to move from a faith focused on knowledge to one focused on love. Book: “Love Matters More” by Jared Bya…

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54: What is Truth? : Turns out that facts aren't important as the truth 1:23:05

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What is Truth? : Turns out that facts aren't important as the truth Pilate asked Jesus a question that never got answered: "What is truth?" In this episode, Steve & Nathan discuss the kinds of truth, if it's relative, if it's meaningful, and how all of this fits in to our faith. Don't worry -- ALL of your questions will most definitely be answered …

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The Lord's Prayer: Practicing the Standards 23:53

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This episode is an introduction to an ongoing series on the Lord's Prayer. This episode will take a very high-level view of the prayer and invites experience over information! Scripture: Matthew 6:9-13 Jazz Standards and Improvisation over a simple tune: "Salt Peanuts" and "Blue Train" Video: The universe is amazing This mini-series is a chance for…

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53: Cursed?: What to do with the curses in Genesis 3 1:16:42

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Cursed?: What to do with the curses in Genesis 3 When Adam and Eve ate the fruit in the Garden of Eden, God laid down several curses. For the serpent, the woman, and the man. But what do we DO with these curses? Are we supposed to perpetuate the ideas behind them, or move away from them? What’s this story teaching us, anyway? We also discuss the sa…

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52: “Do I Stay Christian?” with the author, Brian McLaren 50:13

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We had a fantastic time hanging out with Brian McLaren to talk about his new book, "Do I Stay Christian?" – the follow-up to his book "Faith After Doubt". The book first answers with "No" then "Yes" and then discusses "How" we should live, regardless of the way we answer that question. It's a brave, humbling, and important book. READ IT! Book: “Do …

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51: Zoomers: Faith and deconstruction from the Gen Z perspective 1:26:50

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Generation Z may just be the people who save us all (but only if they want to). Steve & Nathan talk to Steve's kids, Hannah and Noah, to discuss their views of faith and how their parents' deconstruction has changed things for them. Includes a bonus Gen Z slang lesson you won't want to miss! What's in the show is in the show England doesn't exist N…

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50: Book Club: “Flying, Falling, Catching” - by Henri Nouwen & Carolyn Whitney-Brown 53:01

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During the last five years of his life, best-selling spiritual writer Henri Nouwen became close to a traveling circus trapeze troupe, The Flying Rodleighs. He passed away before he could write the book about the spiritual lessons of his time with them, so his friend, Carolyn Whitney-Brown, picked up the pieces and completed “Flying, Falling, Catchi…

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49: Stardust: How "ultimate values" shed light on a faith community, and why trust is better than belief 1:14:19

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Confusing informational trust with relational trust can lead to all kinds of trouble. Steve and Nathan talk about how seeing the cracks and seams in the bible can deal a blow to our faith, or how it can change it for the better. Is there more to the Bible than Biblical Scholarship and data? Is there more to the stars than atoms and molecules? Rocks…

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48: Disentangling: Talking with Kate Boyd about the process deconstruction 53:58

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Blogger, speaker, and podcaster Kate Boyd joins us to discuss the process of deconstruction, how to approach it, and the importance of not doing it alone. Find all of Kate's info here: KateBoyd.co Wesleyan Quadrilateral Film: "Shadowlands" Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat! Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp Follow his Instagram And listen …

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Trans-Christian: A conversation with Natalie Drew about following God as a trans woman (Rebroadcast for Transgender Day of Visibility) 1:31:52

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This is a rebroadcast for Transgender Day of Visibility. We got to talk with Natalie Drew – a devout Christian, pacifist, and kind of a theology nerd who also happens to be a trans woman. She shares her story with us of struggling with life before beginning her transition after having a wife and 2 kids, how her marriage weathered the storm, and she…

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Book Club Announcement - "Flying, Falling, Catching" by Henri Nouwen & Carolyn Whitney-Brown 1:06

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Episode 50 will be "Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding Freedom" by Henri Nouwen & Carolyn Whitney-Brown - (buy it here) Support Following the Fire由Following The Fire

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47: Data > Dogma: A conversation with biblical scholar Dan McClellan 1:14:55

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Bible nerds unite! Nathan & Steve got to have a wonderful conversation with TikTok-famous Bible scholar Dan McClellan. Topics include the cognitive science of religion, the problem with univocality, the development of inerrancy, and… does God look like a cow? Dan’s TikTok account Dan’s dissertation: “The Cognitive Science of Religion and the Concep…

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46: The In-Between: How Daniel Wheat's music is entwined with his faith 1:43:55

2+ y ago1:43:55

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Daniel Wheat has been the official Following the Fire troubadour since day one. He's working on a new album and talks to Nathan and Steve about how the progression of his music and the development of his faith are so closely bound together. Kickstarter for Daniel’s album Daniel Wheat on Spotify Update: The album has been launched and is available H…

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45: Book Club: Heavy Burdens - Bridget Eileen Rivera 57:33

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Book Club: Heavy Burdens - Bridget Eileen Rivera Author Bridget Eileen Rivera joins us to talk about her new book "Heavy Burdens: Seven Ways LGBTQ Christians Experience Harm in the Church" Buy her book here! Special Guest: Bridget Eileen Rivera. Support Following the Fire由Following The Fire

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44: Not a White Man: Discussion Group Q&R pt2 1:05:24

2+ y ago1:05:24

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Not a White Man: Discussion Group Q&R pt2 In which Nathan & Steve discuss Gen Z lingo and more questions posed in the Following the Fire Facebook discussion group. Topics include: is the church of Christ a cult? Why does God allow us to relive trauma? Can we get rid of institutional racism? Is it "XKCD" or "SMBC"? And more! Intro Gen Z Slang is imp…

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43: Twist Ending: Discussion Group Q&R pt1 1:03:22

2+ y ago1:03:22

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In which Nathan & Steve respond to (because actual "Answers" are lacking) questions posed in the Following the Fire Facebook discussion group. Topics include: the goal of deconstruction, God’s role in it, untangling culture and faith, and more. Intro Steve’s busy in a good way Nathan can't figure out how to pronounce "Shyamalan" How to pronounce Sh…

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42: J. Crum: the man, his music, his faith, and his journey 1:06:12

2+ y ago1:06:12

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J. Crum: the man, his music, his faith, and his journey J. Crum is a legend. His song "Clarity" struck a nerve last year with so many people going through deconstruction, and his path has taken him to some unexpected places. We were honored to get to spend time talking with J. Crum about his music, his faith, how they intersect, and where he's goin…

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41: Deconstruction Everywhere: Disney+ shows and films with themes of deconstruction 49:43

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Nathan and Steve catch up after a month off and they discuss the theme of deconstruction in tons of shows and movies on Disney+. It's absolutely everywhere! Intro Nathan’s full of ideas Nathan’s friend and coworker passed away from COVID Steve’s a deacon already? What’s a deacon? “Timey wimey” Groundhog Day Film: “Groundhog Day” Book: “The Road” by…

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Rebroadcast: "Why We Can't Wait" by Martin Luther King, Jr. 1:27:51

2+ y ago1:27:51

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Rebroadcasting for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. We're joined by Nicole Magliore to discuss the book "Why We Can't Wait" by Martin Luther King, Jr. – Not only do we discuss the book, but what white Christians can do to make a difference in a country that is still so stuck in white supremacy and systemic racism. This, my friends, is a fantastic episo…

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Bonus Episode: 2021 in Books - Happy New Year! 24:58

2+ y ago24:58

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Happy New Year! A recap of our first year recording Following the Fire (and a few book suggestions from Nathan) Intro Takin’ a break until the new year (for realz) Facebook group is the BEST! Don’t forget the Patreon! Contact us at followingthefirepodcast@gmail.com Leave a review! Following the Fire - Origin Story No idea what we're doing Steve car…

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40: Book Club: Faith After Doubt - by Brian McLaren 1:34:30

3y ago1:34:30

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Book Club: Faith After Doubt - by Brian McLaren Intro Takin’ a break until the new year Facebook group is the BEST! Don’t forget the Patreon! Contact us at followingthefirepodcast@gmail.com Kristi’s our guest! Vacation Bible School Obeying your parents is, like, a big deal Book discussion Book: [Faith After Doubt]by Brian Mclaren](https://amzn.to/3…

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39: Spiritual Nomads: When deconstruction leads to wandering, where do we find comfort and safety? 1:20:57

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Spiritual Nomads: When deconstruction leads to wandering, where do we find comfort and safety? Rethinking your faith often leads to leaving your faith community to look for something else. Something more. Something real. And while that move was probably for the best, there’s still a loss of the comfort that the old group gave you, and a loss of cer…

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38: Embracing Discomfort: How cognitive biases contribute to church problems and deconstruction 1:44:29

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Embracing Discomfort: How cognitive biases contribute to church problems and deconstruction Intro Impact matrix Nathan doesn’t have bone spurs “Pants” vs “Trousters” churchofchristsingles.com Proverbs 31 Florida College Mead “How Beer Saved the World” Pattern Matching Brains Jordan Klepper Jay Leno JayWalking Cognitive biases Russian speakers see m…

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37: Hidden Gems: How deconstruction can help us find deeper meaning 1:17:15

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Hidden Gems: How deconstruction can help us find deeper meaning For most churches these days, the Old Testament is a collection of exciting and shocking stories for kids’ Bible class. When we’re older, we assume we’ve learned what the stories have to teach us and we hardly ever revisit them from an adult perspective. An unexpected upside of deconst…

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36: Breaking the Belief Box: How the protective walls we’ve built can hurt more than help 1:20:24

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Breaking the Belief Box: How the protective walls we’ve built can hurt more than help Nathan’s face is naked Nathan’s family is disagreeable Nathan plans to wear high-waisted sweatpants when he’s old Agreeableness Podcast: “Revisionist History” re: Agreeableness German bluntness Article: “The Devil’s in the Details of Deconstruction” Book: “The Lit…

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35: Sermons We Hear: What are American Christians hearing from the pulpit? 1:12:00

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Sermons We Hear: What are American Christians hearing from the pulpit? We discuss a recent study about the content, length, and focus of sermons preached in American churches these days. Which churches talk about what? What does that say about them? What can we learn from the various types of sermon? Book: Faith After Doubt by Brian McLaren Article…

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34: Who Wrote It?: Digging into false claims of authorship in the Bible with Trevor Thompson 1:10:02

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Who Wrote It?: Digging into false claims of authorship in the Bible with Trevor Thompson New Testament scholar Trevor Thompson joins us to discuss pseudepigraphic texts in the Bible. We talk about what they are, how they're determined, and we talk a lot about what that means for our faith in scripture and in God. Trevor Thompson’s Academia.org page…

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33: Multiple Heresies: Exploring some challenges to biblical inerrancy 1:26:49

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Yay – Nathan is back! In this episode we follow up with some explanation behind the claims Steve made in the previous episode about how the Bible is not as “inerrant” as we think, although we just scratch the surface. Unfortunately, Steve breaks the rule of only one heresy per episode. Nathan’s wife is home! She completed the Pacific Coast Trail! H…

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32: Dissonance: How "biblical inerrancy" led to Trump & conspiracy theories 22:47

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Steve goes solo this week for his hot take on how the American Evangelical / Fundamentalist belief in biblical inerrancy (a relatively new concept, actually) has led to the era of Trump and conspiracy theories ruling the church Biblical Inerrancy The Reformation The Age of Enlightenment Brad Risley’s tweet Insular Cortex Some sources on Steve’s cra…

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Book Club Announcement - "Faith After Doubt" by Brian McLaren 0:58

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We're taking the week off, but we wanted to announce our next book for the book club: "Faith After Doubt" by Brian McLaren You can buy it here: https://amzn.to/39UHbZj Music on this episode by Daniel Wheat. Check him out on Spotify! Support Following the Fire由Following The Fire

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31: Doppelgänger: The faith journey of ANOTHER Steve Martin 1:04:37

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Doppelgänger: The faith journey of ANOTHER Steve Martin Steve couldn’t believe it when he came across ANOTHER guy named Steven D. Martin who is ALSO a podcaster, a pastor, is passionate about social justice, and the similarities keep going. We just had to have him on the show to tell his faith story. It starts in small town Tennessee, goes through …

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30: Book Club: “The Making of Biblical Womanhood” by Beth Allison Barr 1:11:32

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Book Club: “The Making of Biblical Womanhood” by Beth Allison Barr Oklahoma Christian University Reformed Theology Calvinism Presbyterianism Book: “The Second Sex” by Simone De Beauvoir Book: “Feminine Mystique” by Betty Frieden Author: bell hooks PCUSA - Presbyterian Church of The USA PCA - Presbyterian Church in America Book: “Co-Laborers and Co-…

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Science & Faith 02: The Many Views of Creation 27:06

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29: Know Thyself: How the Enneagram can help you grow in your faith 1:05:22

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Enneagram trainer and life coach Krista Cannon joins us today to talk all things enneagram. She clears up a lot for us, like: What it is, what it isn't, how to use it, and how not to. We also talk about how understanding who YOU are can really help you in your faith journey. Enneagram of Personality Enneagram symbol Book: “The Road Back to You” Boo…

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28: Don't Do It Alone: The spiritual impact of life-changing diseases 1:29:55

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In this episode Steve shares his story of being diagnosed with Young Onset Parkinson's Disease at 41 and then being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis at age 43. He talks about how dealing with those 2 diseases has impacted his faith and spiritual life. NEXT BOOK CLUB: Episode 30 - September 15: "The Making of Biblical Womanhood" by Beth Allison Bar…

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27: Imaginary Other: Surviving arguments with relationships intact 1:12:32

3y ago1:12:32

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Probably none of you need to hear this episode, since none of you have ever had an argument, but in case you do find yourself in an argument, this episode is for you. Nathan, a self-appointed expert on arguing, gives us the ABC’s of arguments. How to approach them, how to diffuse them, and how to know when to stop pushing and let go. We also talk a…

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26: Hippie Church: More adventures in the new and the different 57:59

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Today we’re celebrating a new milestone in Following the Fire history - we’ve passed 25 episodes! And it’s Steve’s turn to tell about his family’s first foray into the “other churches” world. Intro It’s our silver anniversary! Steve & Nathan are apparently NOT gift-givers We have a Patreon! Visiting the UCC Tv show: “Star Wars: The Clone Wars” Book…

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25: Book Club: "A Church Called TOV" by Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer 57:19

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Today we have with us Laura Barringer, co-author of “A Church Called Tov”. We had a fabulous conversation with her and learned so much. If you haven’t read the book yet, don’t worry - Nathan gives a great summary before we get in to the discussion. Do be sure to grab a copy for yourself, though! Links are in the show notes. Book: “A Church Called T…

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24: Pushing Past the Weird: Getting back out there and visiting new churches 52:43

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Looking for a new faith community is gonna be weird at first, but that’s just part of the process, like it or not. Nathan decided to be an overachiever and visited two churches in one day and he tells us all about his experiences. We also start off the episode with some long overdue shout-outs. SHOUT OUTS! Heather’s (Nathan’s wife) Instagram: @hcat…

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23: NakedPastor: Artist David Hayward discusses his cartoons & his faith journey 1:03:10

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Nathan and Steve got to sit down with David Hayward, aka, “NakedPastor” for a fabulous conversation. David is an author, artist, cartoonist, and all-around super nice guy (not just because he’s Canadian). We got to hear of his journey from being a pastor for 30 years to being the cartoonist for deconstructing Christians, we talked about his motivat…

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22: Trans-Christian: A conversation with Natalie Drew about following God as a trans woman 1:31:52

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Today we’re talking to Natalie Drew. Natalie is a devout Christian, pacifist, and kind of a theology nerd who also happens to be a trans woman. She shares her story with us of struggling with life before beginning her transition after having a wife and 2 kids, how her marriage weathered the storm, and she gives some great advice to other LGBTQ peop…

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21: Good Tomatoes: When taking things seriously just means “Love” 1:20:33

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On today’s podcast we’re discussing a variety of topics including how our deconstruction’s going, what relationships look like when they’re not connected to a church, the Bible and being “right” and, unsurprisingly, it all ends up pointing to love. Intro The band is back together How’s Steve’s deconstruction going? Book: “The Long Tail” Relationshi…

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20: Book Club: "Jesus & John Wayne" by Kristen Kobes Du Mez 1:33:45

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We've invited Valerie Quirey (American, Canadian, former Brazilian, & church planter) to discuss possibly the most unsettling (yet important!) book any of us have read this year. The discussion was fantastic! Book club book: “Jesus & John Wayne” by Kristen Kobez Du Mez Special guest: Valerie Quirey Valerie’s Twitter: @val_q Join our Patreon - we'd …

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