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On The Art of Stability, join host Rusty McKie and friends as they discuss navigating the instability of life and what it takes for them to stay grounded in Christ so they can go the distance in life and work.
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The Biggest Table

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This podcast is an avenue to dialogue about the totality of the food experience. Everything from gardening, to preparing, to eating, to hospitality, to the Lord’s Table, with an eye toward how this act that we all have to engage in helps us experience the transformative power of God’s love and what it means to be human.
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In this episode of 'The Biggest Table,' host Andrew Camp explores various aspects of Christian faith and community with Dr. Scot McKnight. The discussion emphasizes maintaining curiosity, humility, and ensuring Jesus remains the focal point in church activities and teachings. Key themes include addressing deconstruction in modern Christianity, the …
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In this podcast episode of 'The Biggest Table,' host Andrew Camp engages in a conversation with Derek Vreeland, a discipleship pastor and author, about the significance of food, hospitality, and the Lord's Supper in experiencing God's love. Derek reflects on his dramatic calling to ministry and his experiences over 34 years of discipleship work. Th…
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In this episode of 'The Biggest Table,' host Andrew Camp is joined by Caleb Campbell, a pastor and the author of 'Disarming Leviathan,' to discuss Christian nationalism. Pastor Campbell shares his insights on American Christian nationalism, defining it as a political ideology, a tribal identity, and a spiritual idolatry. He recounts the challenges …
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In this episode of 'The Biggest Table,' host Andrew Camp discusses the transformative power of hospitality with guests Dave and Jenn Collie. The couple shares their journey, experiences, and insights into living a hospitable life, rooted in their faith and diverse backgrounds. They talk about the inception and mission of their organization, Hospita…
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In this episode of 'The Biggest Table,' I delve into themes of food, hospitality, and spiritual growth with guest Rusty McKie. Rusty, a spiritual director and trauma-informed formation coach, discusses his new book 'The Art of Stability,' which is born out of his personal and relational experiences since 2016. He introduces the idea of finding stab…
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In this episode of 'The Biggest Table' I am joined by renowned theologian and author Grace Ji-Sun Kim to discuss her work, her experiences with race and identity, and her thoughts on hospitality through food. Grace shares personal anecdotes, including her struggles with racism growing up in Canada and the cultural significance of Korean food. Our d…
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In this episode of The Biggest Table, I speak with Kendall Vanderslice, a baker, writer, speaker, and founder of the Edible Theology Project. Kendall shares her journey into bread making and how it connects to her spirituality and faith. She discusses her early influences, the historical and theological significance of bread, and the idea of baking…
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In this episode of 'The Biggest Table,' I enjoy a rich conversation with author Lore Wilbert about her latest book, 'The Understory.' The discussion delves into themes of nature, grief, and presence, as Lore shares her personal journey of finding comfort and healing in the forest. She elucidates how the forest's regenerative processes paralleled he…
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In this episode of The Biggest Table, host Andrew Camp welcomes longtime friends from Park City, Utah, Nyesha, Tanisha, and Sharon, who run 11 Hauz, a Jamaican restaurant. They discuss their journey from Brooklyn to Utah, their Jamaican roots, and the rich confluence of cultures that define Jamaican cuisine. The conversation also delves into the fa…
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In this episode of 'The Biggest Table,' hosted by Andrew Camp, culinary historian Michael Twitty shares insights into how food serves as a medium for exploring cultural identity, heritage, and spirituality. Twitty, the creator of the blog Afroculinaria and author of award-winning books like 'The Cooking Gene' and 'Kosher Soul,' delves into his jour…
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In this episode of The Biggest Table, hosted by Andrew Camp, guest Amy Dolan discusses the intersection of food, faith, and community. Amy, who hosts the Feeding People podcast and founded Sunday Supper Church, shares her journey through the traditions of a Jewish and Christian upbringing, how cooking became a creative outlet during her ministry, a…
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In this episode of The Biggest Table, host Andrew Camp is joined by Derrick Weston, a community organizer, theological education and training coordinator for Creation Justice Ministries, and co-author of The Just Kitchen. They discuss the intersection of food, faith, and social justice, highlighting the significance of food in experiencing God's lo…
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In this episode of The Biggest Table, host Andrew Camp explores the intersection of food, wine, hospitality, and spirituality with guest Adam McHugh. McHugh, a former Presbyterian minister turned wine tour guide and sommelier, discusses his transformative journey into the wine industry, chronicled in his memoir 'Blood from a Stone'. They delve into…
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In this episode of The Biggest Table, host Andrew Camp engages in a profound discussion with Gisela, a theologian and writer with deep roots in Christian spirituality and a passion for exploring the holistic embodiment of spirituality through creation. Focused on her experiences growing up in a family-owned winery in Germany and how it shaped her v…
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In this episode of The Biggest Table, host Andrew Camp discusses with Andy Root, a professor of Youth and Family Ministry, the intersection of faith, hospitality, and our secular age. Root elaborates on his six-volume series, 'Ministry in a Secular Age,' emphasizing the challenges and opportunities for experiencing God in the modern world, particul…
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Join me in my conversation with Richard Beck. We explore the themes of hospitality, hope, and enchantment in Christian practice. From embracing marginalized individuals with grace to recovering an enchanted faith in a skeptical age, the conversation delves into the significance of ordinary moments, like sharing meals, in cultivating a sense of wond…
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In this episode I have a rich conversation with Chris Smith. We cover a range of topics, starting with his own personal journey of food over the past ten years. But we spend the majority of our time using a couple of Chris’s books, namely Slow Church and How the Body of Christ Talks, to dialogue about the importance of conversation for the health o…
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Being an election year, there will be calls for civility, especially in Christian circles. But Kathy Khang (and her coauthor Matt) believe that Christians are not called to be civil, but rather through the fruit of the Spirit embrace the discomfort and hard work of loving disagreement. Listen in as Kathy and I have a rich conversation about the fru…
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In this episode, I am joined by the owner and founder of Wild Goose Coffee, Nate Westwick. We talk about coffee a lot, but more than just coffee, we talk about why coffee is important for communities, and how coffee might help us pay attention to the world around us. We also talk about Nate’s new book, Clearing the Path, and his journey as an autho…
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A chance encounter with a gentleman back in 2008, while he and his church were cleaning and restoring a cemetery, sent Chris questioning how and why he did church, In 2018 he began to find answers to these questions when he started a garden. Since 2018, Chris has sought to fight food insecurity in his zipcode in Knoxville, seeking to transform a fo…
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In this episode, I am joined by my friend from graduate school, Jen Manglos. Jen leads people as a pilgrimage guide, having walked all or parts of the Camino de Santiago multiple times. Jen shares how being a pilgrim has shaped her view of food and hospitality, while also sharing ways in which she has grown in embracing her own embodiedness and lim…
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Food occupies a central place and sometimes disproportionate place in our lives. Researchers have noted that we make over 200 food choices a day, many without much deliberation. And so whether our thoughts about food center around having too little or too much, whether we have a distorted view of food or a healthy view of food, food and eating is s…
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In this episode, I turn the hosting duties over to my friend Peter Englert, as he interviews me. This is a chance for you to get to know me and my journey with food from daily dinners with the family to meals shared in China to my relationship with Grandpa to cooking professionally. As I reflect on my journey with Peter, I begin to see cooking as a…
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In this episode I talk with my good friend Monica Romig-Green, and her journey with food, starting with her family to sharing meals with her good friend Mike. After, we talk ministry, food, and being with people. Monica was born and raised in Southern California and fell in love with Canada after living in Toronto in the early 2010s. She was ordain…
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In this episode, I have a conversation with Alex Mandes, who has worked extensively with churches to help them embrace the multi-cultural reality all around them. We especially focus on the nature of meals within Latino culture (which is naturally diverse in and of itself), while also talking about Jesus on the margins. Alex Mandes is a leader with…
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In this episode, I talk with Michael Frost, author and international speaker, who has written extensively on the mission of the church and how the church might move forward in today's culture. He shares his insight into meals and how they shaped the early church, and how we might recover that today. Check out his newest book Mission Is the Shape of…
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In this inaugural episode of The Biggest Table, I am joined by my good friend, Ty Hoad. Ty recounts his own journey with food and unreasonable expectations he put on people. We also look back at the meals we have shared together, including peach donuts, white truffle risotto, and smoked Waygu short ribs.…
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Join Cyd, Geoff, and Rusty McKie as they discuss generosity, when instability compounds, and how Jesus' joy makes us joyful people. If you or someone you know is in a lean season, Geoff and Cyd remind us that when Jesus gives us what we need that we have enough. Cyd and Geoff Holsclaw are co-founders of Embodied Faith. Cyd is also an integrative co…
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Join Trisha Taylor, Jim Herrington, and Rusty McKie as they discuss the complexities of leadership today. Here are a few of the topics that they touch on: • The gift of differences • Combating loneliness as a leader • Navigating polarizing ideas • Surviving getting pulled in multiple directions • How to grow in love • The power of Jesus to unite us…
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Join Alison Cook and Rusty as they discuss discernment in the creative process, in difficult seasons of life, and in letting Jesus heal the tender places in your soul. If you’re in a season where you need to make some decisions or simply get oriented to where you actually are, this episode will help you identify and navigate where you’re going. Con…
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Join Kari and Rusty as they discuss the freedom of being mediocre, the contentment that is birthed out of death, and not taking yourself too seriously. Kari's reflections on 6 years of instability will surely encourage you at some point. Connect with Kari on Facebook and Twitter. Check out her work over at https://www.karipatterson.com/. Leading in…
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Join Ted and Rusty as they discuss living with a relaxed posture, preparing to suffer, and letting God hold all of life. If you're in a season of suffering (or walking with someone who is), this conversation will encourage you. Connect with Ted on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Check out his work over at Desert Direction (https://desertdirection…
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Join Winn and Rusty as they discuss beauty, pain, resurrection, and how Jesus holds space for it all. If you're longing for beauty and love, this conversation is for you. Connect with Winn on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Purchase his book book — A Burning in My Bones (https://a.co/d/dz0c8LP). And check out his work at the Eugene Peterson Cente…
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Join Rusty and Michelle Van Loon (speaker and author) as they discuss memory, midlife crises, stages of faith, how our origin story shapes our church family, and so much more. When is the last time you considered your family history? If you think about it or not, it's actively impacting your life. In today’s conversation, Michelle helps us understa…
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Join Rusty and Wendy Alsup (speaker and author) as they discuss what analogies control our life, what to do when life falls apart, and our need to get ongoing support from Jesus. When is the last time if felt like your life was falling apart? Or maybe you feel more like your life is a constant battle. In today’s conversation, Wendy speaks beautiful…
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Join Rusty and Aundi Kolber (therapist and author) as they discuss compassion, moving through pain, and God's kindness in it all. Have you ever struggled to feel safe with people? Maybe you know others love you and are for you, yet you still can’t shake feelings of insecurity around them? One of the most challenging relationships to experience this…
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Join Rusty and John Starke (Pastor of Apostles Uptown in New York and author) as they discuss prayer, waiting on the Lord, and how to refuse building a golden calf in the wilderness. If you are in a dark season with God, then this episode is for you. Follow John on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. Get John's new book today — Secret Place of Thunder…
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Join Rusty and Trillia Newbell (author and acquisitions director at Moody Publishing - https://www.trillianewbell.com) as they discuss how sorrow and joy depend on each other, feeling disoriented by the people of God, and the gift of faith in Jesus. If you've ever been confused by the people of God, then this episode is for you. Follow Trillia on F…
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In the first episode of season 2, join Rusty and Jesse Eubanks (founder and executive director of Love Thy Neighborhood - lovethyneighborhood.org) as they discuss how pain turns to goodness, how the truth escapes from jail, and how to stay present to the presence of Jesus. If you've ever been surprised by your pain and not known what to do with it,…
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In the season one finale, Steve and Rusty discuss not taking yourself too seriously, anxiety over life-transitions, and the gift of enjoying life in the moment. Check out Steve's work over at stevecusswords.com for help with anxiety. Also, if you have any thoughts about season one of the Art of Stability or suggestions for season two, I'd love to h…
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In today's episode, Karen and Rusty talk about Resilience, recovering from a tragic accident, and the power of bookending your day in the presence of the Lord. Check out Karen's books (amzn.to/3IBiO2z) and her new podcast Jane and Jesus (apple.co/3ps867h). Also, check out my offerings at Steadfast Ministries, which exist to help you stay grounded i…
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In today's episode, Ryan and Rusty talk about loyalty to friends, pushing harder when life falls apart, and praying the Psalms. Besides pastoring, Ryan is the director of Am I Called ministries which exists to help ministry leaders live, love, learn, and last (amicalled.com). Also, check out my offerings at Steadfast Ministries that exists to help …
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In today's episode, Susan and Rusty talk about having a non-judgmental presence, how cancer moved her from circumstantial stability to true stability, and how slowing down to listen to Scripture helps us know Jesus better. Susan works with Leadership Transformations which attends to the souls of leaders (leadershiptransformations.org).Also, check o…
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In today's episode, Dan and Rusty talk about the temptation to craft an online presence, the bombshell of both his brother’s and daughter’s leukemia diagnosis, and the stabilizing power of getting healthy. If you'd like to connect with Dan, find him on Twitter @villagedanhyun. Also, check out Dan's new bookThe Bible in 52 Weeks for Men (https://amz…
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In today's episode, Scotty and Rusty talk about finding a spiritual father or mother, befriending weakness, and how the gospel makes us more human. If you'd like to connect with Scotty, find her on Twitter @ScottyWardSmith. Also, check out his blog at The Gospel Coalition (https://bit.ly/3dOVvoj). The Art of Stability is a production of Steadfast M…
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In today's episode, Bekah and Rusty talk about enduring criticism, the scariness of getting what you want, and our deep need for companions on our journey. If you'd like to connect with Bekah, find her on Twitter @bekahmason. Also, check out her work at Revoice (revoice.us) and the Pelican Project (thepelicanproject.com). Also, as promised, here's …
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In today's episode, Jamaal and Rusty talk about the importance of friends, how to cultivate friendship, and the power of our imagination in reading Scripture. If you'd like to connect with Jamaal, find him on Twitter @Jamaal711. Also, check out The Eavesdrop for conversations about diversity, multiculturalism, and ethnic diversity - https://www.you…
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God knows what He's doing. In today's episode, Rusty and Darryl talk about our encouragement, family crisis, and digesting God's Word and goodness. If you'd like to connect with Darryl, check out his website at dashhouse.com.The Art of Stability is a production of Steadfast Ministries — which exists to help others stay grounded in Christ to go the …
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God is kinder than we can imagine. In today's episode, Rusty and Chuck talk about our shadow side, self-compassion, and how Jesus heals our trauma. If you'd like to connect with Chuck, find him on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram @chuckdegroat. Also, frequent Chuck's website to find future projects at chuckdegroat.net. The Art of Stability is a pro…
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