Leveraging read-alouds to build language and getting started with advocacy work (with Dr. Molly Ness)

De Facto Leaders

Many skeptics of the science of reading are concerned that structured approaches will bore kids and make it less likely they’ll enjoy reading.

These concerns are unfounded for a number of reasons.

First, structured approaches help reach students who don’t learn through implicit learning (which is a lot of kids).

It’s hard to develop a love of something when you’ve failed repeatedly and no one has given you the tools to do it. Enjoyment comes with competence and confidence.

Second, many people assume that the science of reading is all about drilling phonics worksheets. But it’s not!

Good teachers know how to make structured approaches engaging and interesting. Even if they’re challenging. Good phonics instruction is not about drill and kill.

And finally, the science of reading is WAY more than just phonics. It includes many other linguistic skills that help students decode, comprehend sentences, understand what they’re reading, spell words, or communicate through writing.

Read-alouds and think-alouds are a powerful, accessible way to build these important language skills.

That’s why I invited Dr. Molly Ness to episode 182 of De Facto Leaders as part of the National Literacy Month RIF series to talk about literacy advocacy work and the power of using read-alouds and think-alouds to build vocabulary.

Dr. Molly Ness is a former classroom teacher, a reading researcher, and a teacher educator. She earned a doctorate in reading education at the University of Virginia, and spent 16 years as an associate professor at Fordham University in New York City. The author of five books, Molly served on the Board of Directors for the International Literacy Association and is a New York state chapter founder of the Reading League. Dr. Ness has extensive experience in reading clinics, consulting with school districts, leading professional development, and advising school systems on research-based reading instruction.

She provided literacy leadership for nationally recognized literacy non-profits, as well as major educational publishers. In 2024, Molly was invited to serve on the New York State Dyslexia Task Force. A frequent speaker and presenter, her happy place is translating the science of reading to schools and teachers. As a tireless literacy advocate, Molly created the End Book Deserts podcast, which brings awareness to the 32 million American children who lack access to books. She is currently writing a forthcoming Scholastic book, helping teachers understand orthographic mapping. In 2024, she founded Dirigo Literacy, a literacy consulting firm supporting schools, districts, and states align with and implement the science of reading.

This episode is part of the National Literacy Month series of podcasts, presented in partnership between the Be Podcast Network and Reading Is Fundamental (RIF).

In this conversation, we discuss:

✅The impact of vocabulary on comprehension

✅The science of reading as an evolving body of work instead of a trend or curriculum

✅Book deserts: Concerning statistics and how to help

✅Getting started with policy briefs and advocacy work

✅Think-alouds and read-alouds: Why they’re not just for younger kids

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