Reconstructing Inclusion S2E6: Moving Beyond the DEI (and Anti-DEI) Bandwagon in 2025

Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast

Reconstructing Inclusion with Amri B. Johnson

Season 2, Episode 6: Moving Beyond the DEI (and Anti-DEI) Bandwagon in 2025

📝 Episode Description:

In this episode, Amri explores why traditional DEI approaches are failing organizations and introduces the Emergent Inclusion Framework - a new paradigm for creating sustainable, inclusive cultures. Learn how to move beyond bandwagon solutions and build organizations that generate "thick value" and thrive through change.

⏱️ Time Stamps:

[00:00:00] - Introduction and context of DEI's evolution since 2021

[00:01:00] - The transition of DEI consultants and practitioners

[00:02:00] - Understanding historical challenges in DEI

[00:03:00] - The bandwagon effect explained

[00:05:00] - Introduction to "thick value" concept

[00:07:00] - The Emergent Inclusion Framework explained

[00:09:00] - Relational fitness and organizational change

[00:11:00] - Building trust through transparency

[00:12:00] - New initiatives and resources announcement

[00:13:00] - Special announcement about upcoming project

🔑 Key Concepts Discussed:

- The bandwagon effect in DEI initiatives

- Thick value and its role in organizational culture

- Anti-fragility in organizational development

- Relational fitness

- The Emergent Inclusion Framework

- Building trust through transparency

- Future-fit organizations

📚 Resources Mentioned:

Book: "Reconstructing Inclusion" by Amri B. Johnson

Book: "Diversity and Complexity" by Scott E. Page

Systemic Inclusion Survey™ - A free diagnostic tool to assess your organization's current inclusion practices and identify areas for improvement.

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