Getting called out, finding new data sources, and how to interpret user research

Small Efforts - with Sean Sun and Andrew Askins

In this episode, Andrew and Sean got hit up by someone clearly using Podscan... again! They talk about it, then Andrew shares details about his recent trip to Mexico City, including highlights like a hot air balloon ride over the pyramids and an exciting Lucha Libre wrestling match.

Sean provides an update on Stackwise, discussing the data sources they've uncovered and the challenges of building a comprehensive database. Meanwhile, Andrew delves into the validation process for his latest SEO-focused startup idea, weighing the pros and cons of targeting different user segments.

Links:

• Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskins
• Andrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/
• ChartJuice: https://www.chartjuice.com/
• Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsun
• Miscreants: http://miscreants.com/
• StackWise: Coming soon...
• FigTree: Coming soon...
• Podscan.fm: https://podscan.fm/

For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/.

Transcript:
00:01.71

Sean

You know what we should rename our podcast tagline to?

00:05.21

Andrew

sandwich free.

00:06.47

Sean

No, not same.

00:09.97

Andrew

What is that?

00:10.48

Sean

No, the best case study that Podscan works.

00:15.95

Sean

We should be front page on Podscan FM.

00:18.73

Andrew

Genuinely, we should we should reach out to it's not Arjun. What's his name, Arran?

00:24.60

Sean

I have no idea. I don't know who makes Podscan. I just know about it.

00:27.08

Andrew

Oh, he's he's the dude who's the. ah ah Oh, fuck, I signed out of Twitter everywhere. so that I wouldn't get distracted.

00:36.50

Sean

Nice. I'll look it up.

00:37.86

Andrew

Arlen, something like that, he built he built like class dojo or he he built some like teaching software with his wife, sold it.

00:48.13

Sean

Arvid. Arvid.

00:48.97

Andrew

Arvid, Arvid call, that's his name.

00:49.57

Sean

Arvid.

00:51.16

Andrew

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, if avid has a and Arvid hot scan trigger, we'll find out.

00:56.81

Sean

Yeah, we'll find out. Arvid.

00:59.14

Andrew

So, hey Arvid.

00:59.99

Sean

Arvid call. Arvid call. Arvid call. Feedback panda. Arvid call.

01:03.88

Andrew

feed neck to end there, that's what it was.

01:06.67

Sean

Zero to sold, or we'd call. Alright, maybe we'll summon him for the next one.

01:12.62

Andrew

Yeah, that was wild. So, I get...

01:18.40

Andrew

I forget which podcast episodes we've published because I'm behind. So I like didn't even realize I'd published that episode.

01:24.75

Sean

Yeah.

01:24.82

Andrew

But we published a podcast episode where we were kind of like, I was hating on intro. You're pro intro. I was hating on intro.

01:32.17

Sean

Uh-huh.

01:33.57

Andrew

And then the CEO of intro tweeted at us this week and was like, here's why you're wrong and why intro is great.

01:39.63

Sean

not Really, it's not really a tweet. It was kind of an essay, actually. It was kind of like, yeah, yeah.

01:42.93

Andrew

Yeah.

01:44.32

Sean

But that's the second time someone famous on the internet has hit us up on Twitter because of that.

01:49.41

Andrew

I wish they would fucking promote our podcast when they treat at us.

01:56.45

Sean

I don't know.

01:56.90

Andrew

Instead of doing it so subtly.

01:57.13

Sean

I feel like this is a secret and feel like there's a little secret growth hack in there, you know?

02:01.18

Andrew

Yeah, but the girth hack only works if they like tell people about you.

02:06.72

Sean

No, no, no, no, no. I think that you can leverage it for, for more reach.

02:08.29

Andrew

To become biffles.

02:12.19

Sean

Cause if I, cause if I reply to his thing, I'm, you know, I feel like there's enough Twitter engagement there in in the, you know, get the algo going and, and, and you know, what is beef marketing?

02:22.26

Andrew

Is this like even grosser beef marketing?

02:27.16

Andrew

Beef marketing is when you start beef with somebody just for like the views and the clicks.

02:30.09

Sean

Oh, I see.

02:35.19

Andrew

So obnoxious.

02:36.88

Sean

I say yeah.

02:37.09

Andrew

yeah who's You know who's the king of beef marketing?

02:41.16

Sean

No. Who's the king of beef marketing?

02:42.94

Andrew

DHH. DHH is the

02:44.69

Sean

Oh.

02:45.98

Andrew

The king, the founder, the creator, the the god of beef marketing.

02:51.86

Sean

Right, right, right.

02:52.08

Andrew

That man can start beef with anybody.

02:54.78

Sean

right say well What's his full name? Just in case pods can.

02:56.89

Andrew

David Heinemeyer Hanson.

02:58.48

Sean

OK, cool, cool, cool. Basecamp, basecamp, basecamp. Maybe he uses Podscan too. Yeah. Yeah. Jason.

03:08.45

Sean

Yeah. I don't know. I think he has good ideas sometimes.

03:14.37

Andrew

What did you actually think of the intro guy's response to us? I can no longer pull up because I logged myself out of Twitter and don't want to log back in.

03:23.34

Sean

you know i think i appreciated the thoughtful response um um on it that's kind of

03:29.13

Andrew

You want to summarize real quick?

03:29.28

Sean

weirded I was weirded out yeah I was weird for what's worth a a little bit weird out kind of kind of weird ...