What do we want from a web browser? (Friends)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

A hoy hoy! Our old friend Nick Nisi does his best to bring up TypeScript, Vim & Tmux as many times as possible while we discuss a new batch of web browsers, justify why we like the ones we do & try to figure out what it’d take to disrupt the status quo of Big Browser.

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Featuring:

• Nick Nisi – Website, GitHub, Bluesky, Mastodon, X
• Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
• Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• Digging through Nick Nisi’s tool box (JS Party #278)
• Google gets its way, bakes a user-tracking ad platform directly into Chrome | Ars Technica
• Arc from The Browser Company
• Sizzy — The browser for web developers
• Polypane, The browser for ambitious web developers
• Orion Browser
• Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser
• The Ladybird browser project
• Horse Browser
• Web Browser Quiche on the App Store
• Nyxt browser: The hacker’s browser
• Opera browser goes free with version 5.0 launch • The Register
• Nick’s vim + tmux video
• Vim with Me playlist
• Our viral short on Instagram Reels
• Gabe Kangas on Mastodon
• Rich Harris on JS Party

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

章节

1. Let's talk! (00:00:00)

2. 2x Clark Kent glasses (00:00:38)

3. Back to the Future II (00:01:12)

4. "Gimme a Pepsi Free" (00:02:28)

5. Crispin Glover follow-up (00:03:26)

6. Start here if you just want browser talk (00:04:17)

7. Hold on a second... (00:04:21)

8. He's back! (00:05:02)

9. Browser 101 (00:06:22)

10. Becoming crotchety (00:06:45)

11. Safari is not the best browser (00:07:51)

12. Chrome v Firefox (00:08:32)

13. horse_js is dead (00:09:55)

14. The TypeScript "Exodus" (00:10:18)

https://jsparty.fm/292

15. New breed of browsers (00:12:19)

16. All praise Safari (00:13:39)

17. Safari's market share (00:17:46)

18. Browser profiles (00:19:16)

19. Firefox converters (00:21:47)

20. Too many extentions (00:22:45)

21. It's not what Apple wants (00:23:49)

22. Safari incompatabilities (00:25:41)

23. No Chrome since '16 (00:28:02)

24. Ad trackers in browsers (00:28:19)

25. Your data & 3rd parties (00:30:12)

26. Tight cloud integration (00:31:00)

27. Ads on Smart TVs (00:33:21)

28. NVIDIA SHIELD (00:34:36)

29. DVD upscaling (00:35:33)

30. Sponsor: Statsig (00:37:11)

https://statsig.com/changelog

31. A FREE TV?! (00:40:55)

32. Browser business models (00:41:52)

33. Paywalls (00:43:03)

34. Polypane & Sizzy (00:45:28)

35. Confessions of Nick Nisi (00:49:16)

36. Opera history trivia! (00:51:26)

37. A browser for dev is a good idea (00:53:38)

38. We own the ++? (00:53:58)

39. Mark HackerNoon as spam (00:55:42)

40. How Zed does it (00:57:30)

41. Warp vs vim & tmux (00:58:16)

42. Nick's vim + tmux vid (00:58:57)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r6yzFEXajQ

43. Viral short (01:03:29)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwEIyZXAIXr/

44. More "Vim with me"! (01:05:33)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCzseuA9sYrdaddcYHIaEAeuvIgr-p2ZQ

45. What do we want? (01:07:01)

46. Arc tabs (01:09:07)

47. Orion (01:10:57)

48. Vivaldi (01:11:19)

49. Ladybird (01:11:56)

50. Gabe Kangas on Mastodon (01:13:22)

https://social.gabekangas.com/objects/52127b6e-a652-471b-ab70-562097aab380

51. It takes talent (01:15:54)

52. How long will browsers be relevant? (01:16:43)

53. Why do we care? (01:18:33)

54. Nyxt & Quiche (01:20:34)

55. Power features (01:22:04)

56. Should we just take it? (01:23:43)

57. Momentum is a fickle thing (01:24:07)

58. We don't know (01:25:00)

59. The Arc club (01:26:21)

60. Why Adam likes newer Macs (01:27:47)

61. What is your tab layout? (01:29:31)

62. Worryied about crotchety Adam (01:33:00)

63. No forks of TypeScript (01:33:44)

64. Speaking of the perfect tweet (01:34:02)

65. Kids read everything (01:34:50)

66. A Linux-like take on browser (01:35:26)

67. Apple Keynote (01:37:01)

68. When to upgrade your iPhone (01:39:46)

69. No more lightning (01:40:18)

70. Sideloading required? (01:40:45)

71. Where to find Nick (01:41:34)

72. Coming up next (Changelog++!) (01:43:35)

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