Elections are about more than who wins and who loses. The New York Times reporter Astead Herndon takes us beyond the horse race to explore how we got to this fraught moment in American politics.
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Joe welcomes R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe and Mike Mills to the pod on the 25th anniversary of "New Adventures in Hi-Fi" to discuss their musical journey, how grassroots politics are essential to protecting American democracy and why social media giants are the robber barons of our time.