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Terrifier 3

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So it’s come to this. Based on the unprecedented performance of this unprecedented Christmas horror movie, there’s no way we COULDN’T cover it this holiday season. And you know what? We actually enjoyed it more than we thought we would.

At the very least, even if extreme gore ain’t your thing, it’s a Christmas movie through and through. And that’s how you know that Art The Clown has finally come into his own: He has his own holiday special!

Cheers, and Happy Holidays to you and yours this season. See you next year!

A sinister clown with a grotesque face wears a Santa hat and holds an axe, standing near a Christmas tree adorned with skulls and eerie decorations. The scene evokes an unsettling Yule Log spirit. The title "Terrifier 3" is in bold red letters at the bottom.

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Terrifier 3 (2024)

Episode 421, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw Horror Movie Review Podcast

Todd: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Two Guys and a Chainsaw. I am Todd.

Craig: And I’m Craig.

Todd: Merry Christmas, Craig .

Craig: Hey, Merry Christmas.

Todd: Christmas time. Finally is here, then the new year, and then we go into 2025 and see what that’s going to turn out to be like. Yep. It’ll be something. It’s been a mixed feelings this year, just sort of like our episodes, I would say, this Christmas season.

We did try to strike a bit of a balance between things we knew were going to be fun and funny, and things that we knew we may not like or would be a little more dark and gruesome. Today’s, uh, movie, we had really no choice, I think, but to do Terrifier 3, because it turns out that it’s, I think, I mean, last I read, it was the highest grossing, unrated film of all time.

Craig: Yeah, something like that, crazy.

Todd: Yeah, like, I think the only other unrated film that came close to it was like a Beyoncé concert movie or something that was released to theaters.

Craig: Yeah. And I think it had a limited run too, like, I don’t think it, I don’t know.

Todd: Well, it kinda had to, right? Yeah, because usually theaters don’t play unrated films.

Oh yeah, right. Especially unrated films like this. And I know that the first two installments had that issue. The first installment was, I believe, crowdfunded. And I’m not even sure that it got much of a theatrical release.

Craig: It actually wasn’t crowdfunded. He tried to crowdfund it, but he couldn’t make the money.

Todd: Oh.

Craig: So, a producer came in and said, I’ll fund it fully, but I want my name on it as a producer. And so, he did. And that you know, got it out there. And then for the sequel, that one, he did crowdfund. They made tons of money. Like they, they got way more than they had targeted for. I think

Todd: they asked for a small amount.

It was like 35, 000 or something like that.

Craig: I think the second time it was 50, I don’t know. I could be pulling these numbers. I I’ve watched a lot of like videos. About it today, so.

Todd: I see.

Craig: I hope, I don’t know if this is right, I think it was like 30 the first time around when they couldn’t raise that much and then I think he only raised it to like 50 for the next one, but they far exceeded that.

And then, because they exceeded it, they were able to do a lot more.

Todd: Right, and then, and that ended up getting released in theaters, right? But, there was at least one studio that had been interested in it but ended up turning it down because they, uh,

Craig: He didn’t even want to go through a studio because he knew that they would force him to change things.

And he’s right. I’m sure he’s absolutely right. I don’t know what studio But I also think that this is really interesting because I feel like this really opens a lot of doors. It goes to show that you can, it is possible, if you can find your niche and you can find your audience, you can, like, self fund or crowdfund or whatever.

Put out movies that are going to make a lot of money and this movie has made a lot of money and in doing that You free yourself up so much, you know The studios and the producers have so much oversight that often what we end up getting was Is only a mere sliver of what was initially intended I don’t remember if it was the producer or who it was The only thing that they asked of the director damian leon was to keep it under two hours and he got really close He got really close, but I also read that Hit the the script that he turned in the runtime was 205 and that’s what the runtime of this movie is So it sounds to me like they shot his script as he presented it and that’s awesome

Todd: Yeah, I don’t know.

I read that he had to throw away a bunch of pages while he was shooting the last segment of it Because he knew it was going to be too long I don’t know, you know, this movie comes in with a lot more of a budget, a lot more resources than his first two movies. I remember that the second movie and the first movie were shot on a shoestring.

He seems like a guy, I don’t, I don’t know, you probably know better than I do, but he seems like a guy who got into movies because he was very interested in practical effects. And uh, Then the first two, well, All Hallows Eve was a bit of a showcase for him in doing his effects. We did All Hallows Eve and we found it pretty bad, but we did enjoy the Art the Clown segment just for how quirky and bold it was.

And then I guess a lot of other people did too. The first two Terrifier films were shot with a crew of like five or six people at any given time. He was doing all the effects himself. He directed it. He edited it. Then this movie comes along and Affects teams who were impressed with the first one came in and said we want to work with you And so I think this is the first movie that he’s done where he didn’t work on the effects if he did some work on The effects it was minor There were multiple effects teams as you scroll through the credits because all the effects in this movie are pretty much gore effects and makeup Effects.

I mean, yeah, there’s not much else There’s no magic happening. There’s, you know, there’s nothing else. Just people getting caught up in creative ways. So, which is on par with the first two movies. The first one, what all took place in a warehouse. I watched it with my dad and I warned my dad about it. We did that on this podcast as well.

And I think, uh, at the time I’d said, you know, I mean, I can see why people like it, but it really is a one trick pony. You know, it’s just a bunch of people locked up in a warehouse, there’s almost no story to it. It’s just Art the Clown pops in, and you know they’re gonna get it, and it just remains to be seen how gruesome it’s gonna be.

And then the second movie I never saw, and I believe that was a Halloween movie, right? And that came out, what, last year. That took like six years to make. Because, you know, he was scrapping together resources. And then this one here, he had to get it done in under a year. And so that’s why he had so many teams working on it.

And that was a different kind of pressure, he said.

Clip: Yeah.

Todd: So we figured we had to do it this Christmas. We had no choice. So here we are. Merry Christmas, everyone. Terrifier 3. Craig, I wonder, had you seen the second movie as well? Yep. And you, you still haven’t? No, I, I meant to watch it, but I didn’t, I didn’t get the time.

Well, then I can only

Craig: imagine.

Todd: My confusion? That you,

Craig: yeah, and that you may not have been, you know, all that invested in these people because I didn’t, I don’t know. I mean, I figured it would be a continuation, but I kind of didn’t realize that at this point he seems to be doing something that I appreciate because I agree with you that I was getting a little tired of, how bloody can it be?

Like, okay, I get it. Great. Great. Good job topping yourself each time. That’s great. But now I feel like he’s trying to build a mythology and I can get on board with that. I like a mythology. Right, right. Some story at

Todd: least.

Craig: I like a continuing mythology, you know, like I’ve stuck with Chucky for decades and this movie, I feel like.

Seems very much intended to continue that core mythology. And I read that he started doing that in part two, which he did because he regretted the response to the first movie was good. He got a lot of positive feedback about it, about art specifically. People loved art. They thought he was a great villain, wanted to see more of him, but they felt like.

The other characters in the movie were thin and undeveloped and you didn’t really care about them. So, Leone or Leone wanted in the second one to have more round, more fully developed characters. Characters that you’re invested in and that you care about. And, this girl, Lauren Lavera, who plays Sienna. She is The final girl of part two she’s introduced in part two and is the final girl in part two and she Continues that role.

So she’s really the the female lead in both of these movies I don’t know how you felt about her coming in post trauma, but I got really invested in this girl in the first movie. She’s vulnerable, but she’s tough. I like that they’ve cast her. The actress is petite and so potentially very vulnerable, but also really strong.

And ultimately they make her special. But what I’m trying to get at is I think that this actress is really good. And so I’m into her and I’m rooting for her. So that does it for me. If it weren’t for that, I think I would still be, eh, kind of meh about it, but I think I may end up defending this movie more than you would expect.

Todd: Yeah, I’m, you know, and I think it’s probably a good thing I didn’t watch it because we come in with a completely different mindsets and that helps our listeners, I believe. I would tell you right now, if you’re interested in seeing this movie and haven’t seen the second one, you really ought to see the second one.

Clip: Yeah, you should.

Todd: Because I was very confused at the beginning of this, and I felt like the movie did a decent enough job of piecing some stuff together for me, but they didn’t make it very clear. The way it starts out with these different characters, and there’s this kind of monstrous woman, and there’s a flashback to what I thought was the first movie, but now I’m not sure.

You know, I just, I had to eventually go, okay, there’s this, there’s some backstory here, I don’t know, I’m just gonna roll with it, and ultimately I was fine. But it did affect my ability to, like you said, care a bit about these new characters, because I didn’t, it was only about three quarters of the way through the movie that made it very clear to me, oh, okay, this girl was the final girl from the first one.

I mean, I had my suspicions, but I also thought maybe there were some other characters too who survived, and you know, I wasn’t quite sure who they were and how they were related, and some of the things they were talking about, you know, I just couldn’t make a lot of sense of. I just had to chalk that up to, okay, this is just backstory that’s either going to get filled in for me or I really needed to watch the second movie for.

So, if you really want to see this movie, you really ought to see the second one first, I would say 100%. Because, ultimately then, for me, not being so invested in this family, what this movie felt like was, literally, because I looked at the time stamp, an hour and a half. Of Art the clown randomly killing random people just like he does in the first movie while There’s another story of sorts playing out parallel to it.

You know in these movies, there’s always like someone you’re following and they’re gonna be They’re not gonna be attacked until the end or they’re gonna be menaced until the end when there’s a showdown And so I knew what was happening. I was just like this family’s not even being menaced So, for about half of this hour and a half run time, I’m switching back to this family and hearing about their trauma, but I’m not really getting much else out of it.

It’s just, like, their interactions with each other, she’s clearly traumatized, okay, that’s fine, but, like, other than that, I’m just like, alright, well, when is Art gonna show up on this side? They’re not even being menaced yet, so, they’re just waiting here in the wings for me, and I, I felt like the movie could have been a lot shorter, you know?

Yeah. Had there not been So much of that, that ultimately, you know, didn’t matter to me. Now, maybe you found it more interesting because you were more invested in the character from the second one. I don’t know.

Craig: Well, I guess because things developed from the first one a little bit. But you’re right. I mean, it’s an effects driven movie.

It’s a art the clown character driven movie, like, it’s just giving him a playground, you know, a Christmas playground to play in and chop people up. In fact, you know, we don’t immediately return to these characters, and so I didn’t know, I didn’t know, I don’t even remember if I had watched a trailer for this movie.

I didn’t know if those characters were going to be featured heavily, if they were going to get killed off in the first scene, if we were going to see them at all. And when the movie opened, the opening scene, I thought was A great opening scene for a classic Christmas slasher. Yes. To be fair, far more gory and graphic than many that we’ve seen, but not all.

And it was great! You know, it’s a beautiful outdoor shot of this beautifully decorated home decorated for Christmas, and the Christmas music is playing, and the colored lights are glowing, and it’s perfect, you know? It’s this perfect Christmas place, and this perfect little family lives there, and you hear, like, the footsteps on the roof, and little Sally, or whatever her name is, goes into her parents house, and it’s like, there’s somebody on the roof!

It’s Santa Claus! And they’re like, no, go back to bed, blah blah. Like, it’s Exactly, you know,

Todd: it’s perfect, frankly. Yeah, it’s like homage, really. We’ve seen so many start out like this.

Craig: Yeah, right, and he said that he was inspired by those Tales from the Crypt segments. There was the original one and then the remake.

I think we’ve talked about both of them. Oh, all through the house. Uh, all through the house. And this is very much like that, too, because eventually the mom and dad go back to bed, the brother is in his room asleep, and the little girl still hears stuff, and so she goes down there, and there’s Santa Claus, but it’s Art the Clown, and she runs and hides before he sees him, he pulls out an axe and goes and chops up her whole family in a really, really gruesome, display Now I will say that I think these effects look great What I like the most about them is they don’t make me sick Because they ring of the effects of the 80s.

Yes. It’s almost that it’s so extreme As to be beyond the realm of reality and so it just doesn’t bother me like i’m like that’s fake There’s so much blood just blood Covering every surface. It’s bright red when you see the and you do all the time It’s all the time people getting chopped up getting their faces ripped off chopped off limbs chopped off Every gory nasty disgusting thing you can think of in Captured in great detail on camera, but the effects look practical.

I don’t know Maybe that is what skin would look like if you were chopping into it But it looks like a practical effect to me and I like that I’ve always liked practical effects and so I can get on board for that, too

Todd: Mm-hmm . Yeah, I, I would say that extreme violence didn’t disturb me as much as I thought I would normally when it comes to this kind of violence, it’s more the idea of it, you know, it’s what’s happening to the person and what that would be like if that had happened to you more than just, you know, what you’re seeing visually on the screen.

So, you know, you’re right. You watch a movie like Misery for example, and you see your hobble, poor James Conn in the bed, right. You’re gonna get a, uh, perhaps, I mean I anyway, are gonna get a much more emotional reaction than when I see Art go in with a chainsaw, you know, to rip apart, you know, two people in the shower.

Something about that, I just can’t imagine that happening to me. It’s a little too detached from my reality, and it’s not presented, like you said, in a realistic way. Yeah. I mean, it is. I, you know, like you said, I suppose there’s only so many ways you can thrust a chainsaw into somebody, but, you know, I, I, it’s just, uh, there’s somehow there’s a detachment there.

So, I can understand why this movie would have more of a broad audience than I, uh, Originally expected the series to have because more people I think can take it because it is so in a way Fantastical like you said, although I have to admit I was impressed with the effects of the first movie when leone was doing it That scene where he saw straight down through a person that was pretty horrific and that turned my stomach a bit And I thought that was as realistic as I imagine it could be this one I also thought the effects were good and I thought they were a couple notches better Probably because you had more experienced teams working on it.

I did appreciate that aspect of it as well. Yeah.

Craig: Yeah, and you know a two million dollar budget is significantly larger than 50, 000 or whatever for the second one, but the other thing that removes those kills Many the many many many of them it removes them from reality is because He and his little sidekick who we’ll talk about in a second are destroying these people’s bodies and yet they remain awake and alert.

Like that is absolutely impossible.

Clip: So

Craig: in my head, I’m like, this is fiction. Like it’s, I am removed from this. I don’t have to be scared of it. I don’t have to be even grossed out by it. It’s not real. It’s, it’s all good.

Todd: Now, can you answer a quick question for me before we go on? Yeah. The girl who survived, I suppose, the Christmas Massacre in the very beginning scene?

Because Art is about to leave the house, and then he hears a noise in the cupboard, and he opens it up, and the girl is cowering in there, and he waves at her. Are we to believe that he killed her, or am I off and she is now an adult somewhere, or an older person somewhere in time?

Craig: I think that they are intentionally leaving that open so that they could potentially use her later.

Because you, you, you see in this movie that they need hosts, right? It’s a whole thing, like in the first movie, and I just ended, I just finished watching like a history of thing in all of the shorts, including the All Hallows Eve or whatever. There was a supernatural element to art. He decided in the first Terrifier movie that he wanted to abandon that and make art just a real guy.

Just a guy. A killer. A serial killer. But then, when he resurrects In the second one, it’s just his body or, or he’s been reanimated by some, some outside supernatural force. And now he’s supernatural. In the second movie, there’s a little girl character, a little evil girl like him, and it’s unclear what their relationship is, except for you do see a newspaper article that says a little girl was murdered at some point.

And it looks like that girl. Her name is Emily, and in the first movie, the crazy lady who had the doll in the warehouse said, This is my baby, it’s, her name is Emily. Speculation at this point is that whatever is possessing this little girl is the thing that brought art to life. And at this point, at the end, you saw the aftermath of this, but at the end of the first, er, of the second movie, he and Sienna have a huge fight.

I, I, I read too that the finale was toned down for this one, for time purposes, and I don’t, I’m not surprised because the finale was super long in the second one, and I’m glad that they had to shorten it for this one because it was so, And I just got really sick of seeing that young woman brutalized for my entertainment.

Like, it just went on, it just went on for too long for me. It was too much. And it was impossible, there was no, you know, it was just impossible that she could move. Now, to be fair, the other part of the backstory that you missed is she somehow is a chosen one. Her dad was a cartoonist. He started apparently having visions of art and other things and was drawing them.

And he drew this hero that he designed for her that you saw in this movie. And that’s what she dresses for his Halloween. And that’s what she fights art. With and with that sword, but it goes on forever. She ends up decapitating him And that’s when we go back to the monstrous woman that you were talking about who is the final girl from the first movie I believe oh Oh I pretty sure she is the she’s either the final girl from the first movie or the reporter that interviewed her I’m a little iffy on that one, but she’s definitely from the first movie And she, at the end of the second one, I guess at this point we’re supposed to understand that she killed herself and recently died.

So now she’s now possessed too. And possessed her birthed Art’s head. What? Oh! Gave birth to it. It came out of her. That’s why it was like, It had like a umbilical cord like attached to its neck.

Todd: Was that like an ending in the second movie? Yes. Is that where we’re supposed to? Yes. Okay. That was the,

Craig: that was the shocking ending of the second movie.

Todd: Yeah, that would have been hilarious if I had seen that first.

Craig: After that opening scene, it cuts back to five years. Later five years earlier

Todd: earlier. Yeah The the

Craig: time jumping confused. Well as it turns out these events take place. I don’t even know I’m

Todd: confused now. I think what happens is no because it jumps to five years earlier So the christmas scene we’re just talking about is present day.

Craig: Yes, that’s right

Todd: It jumps to five years earlier to catch us up on that’s right What you just described basically and then how that turned out

Craig: they had to explain how he came back Yeah

Todd: And it seems like, and correct me if I’m wrong, the way he came back, okay, so his head was birthed, the cops came into the room and discovered, you know, after the massacre, discovered his headless corpse, then they came in and discovered this girl and Art’s head is chewing on another body, and then, um, the The head and the body Reunite somehow.

Yeah, yeah. First he grabs The body reunite Reanimates without the head. And it kills the policeman. And then Art decapitates the policeman. And then he sticks the policeman’s head on his body. And they’re on the subway. And then Somehow he gets his own head back. I thought

Craig: he was just gonna like Jeepers Creepers it.

Yeah, I think that he rides the subway to wherever his head is and he goes in there. You’re right as that as right as Chris Jericho is about to get killed he shows up It’s crazy, and he gets his head back and so now he and Victoria, that’s the monstrous woman, and she is. She’s disgusting to look at.

Because she got her face ripped off at some point.

Clip: Oh,

Craig: gosh. So now they’re a team. There’s a funny part where they like ride the bus and they’re always covered in like gore and viscera and stuff. And another guy dressed, because this is the same night. Like, as the end of the second movie, at this point.

It’s the same night, so it’s still Halloween, so another guy dressed as Art gets on, and is like,

Clip: Yo, yo! You guys, you, you look so good. I mean, way better than mine. I was gonna do the blood thing too, but I, I was just worried about the cleanup. But, can I, can I get a picture? I’m gonna post this. You guys, seriously, you killed it.

This

Craig: And then it cuts away and it cuts to the next scene and they’re walking back into his lair, which apparently nobody ever disturbs. And he’s wearing the clean costumes. Obviously he had taken it from that guy, which is funny. He does that. He steals costumes. It’s his Zemo. So, okay, so you’re right.

We’ve got two parallel stories, and what it seems to be is that Art is trying to make his way to Sienna. They are connected. Sienna’s brother figured all this out somehow in the last movie. He was a much bigger part of the last movie. I suspect that either he was unavailable or was uninterested in reprising his role because He is not.

Like, he only films, I think, one scene with her. The other scenes, he’s off at college doing his own thing. He’s really not doing much. He’s not in the movie a whole lot. He’s a big part of the first one. He’s kind of replaced in this one by Sienna’s niece. They go, okay, so once he gets his head back, they go back to the lair, and they just like, hibernate.

Yeah, that

Clip: was

Todd: interesting. She goes and sits in a bathtub, full of disgust, and cuts her arm. I thought she was trying to kill herself or something? I think she’s already dead. She saw herself in the mirror and was like, I look so

Craig: ugly. Oh, maybe she’s not. I don’t know. Maybe she’s not dead at that point.

Maybe she dies then and that’s when she gets possessed. I don’t know. But anyway, whatever.

Todd: Yeah, she just and she sits in a bathtub and Art sits in a rocking chair that reminded me of Psycho You know the mother sitting in the rocking chair up in the high window of the of the tall house But yeah I also read that you know It was meant to be an homage to Amityville because the shape of the window and also an homage to Black Christmas

Craig: It immediately made me think of Black Christmas.

That’s

Todd: the first thing that I thought it makes sense This being a Christmas movie too, right? And him being, at first, looks dead because he’s covered in cobwebs. When we switch to present day, and there’s, um, I don’t know, a couple Cleaning crew or something? Demolition guys. Demolition guys coming into the house and they go up into the attic and they see this What appears to be a corpse, you know facing the window and she is in now her bathtub is filled with muck I don’t think it was before so I don’t know if she just bled out an all awful lot or what the deal was Just time.

It’s gross It’s pretty disgusting and they walk over and, and Art is eyes open, just staring straight ahead in this obviously like hibernated state. And as soon as the cops discover, or the cops, these two guys discover these two, they come to life and they murder them and. Now they’re back. And here we are in present day.

Craig: Brutally. And I feel like, I feel like people would want to know how they do it about these kills. But that’s, that, that would be my, that would be my complaint about the movie is that I just didn’t find it particularly interesting. It was just an opportunity to show off. Really the same kind of effects.

You know, it’s not really creative. Like, he chops him up with an axe. He smashes their head with a hammer. He cuts him up with a chainsaw, and it just looks like blades cutting into flesh, and bones breaking off, and legs getting chopped off, and heads getting smashed, and it looks good. But it’s kind of all the same.

It is. And it ceases to be, it ceases to be shocking. Like,

Todd: yeah,

Craig: I’ve seen this.

Todd: A, it ceases to be shocking because it’s not creative. You know, those old slasher movies, part of the fun was just seeing how, how, what were the odd different ways people were going to die? This movie doesn’t really have that.

And then number two, it really doesn’t have a lot of suspense either. And that’s kind of his shtick, I guess, you know, aren’t the clown shows up and you know, that whoever he shows up in front of is going to be doomed. And, he just plays with them for a little bit. They’re more confused than anything, or they just think he’s a guy in a costume, goofing, and then he kills them.

And that’s really it. I mean, there’s very, there’s no stalking really involved, and it’s not shot in a way where Typical slasher is with the stalking and the suspense and the POVs coming around the corner of the teenagers hanging out You know, there’s just none of that. It’s just very much in your face like oh here comes art the clown He’s coming into a bathroom and we know there are two people showering there and we see art doing all of his Preparation before he finally goes in and kills them.

And so I didn’t get the same What do you want to say? Emotional investment, even with the kills, and the process leading up to it that I would get in a typical slasher movie.

Craig: I was still entertained because I do really like art as a character, and David Howard Thornton is a really, really talented performer.

Um, He didn’t originate the role, but

Todd: Well, that’s what I mean when I think I say that’s like his shtick, you know? It feels like that’s the movie. That’s what people are gonna have, are gonna come to see. Yeah. You know, they’re not coming to see a suspenseful slasher. They’re coming to see their favorite Art the Clown guy and how goofy he’s gonna be.

Craig: Right. You know, so Right, I mean, we did that too. That’s what, we did that with Freddy for years.

Todd: We did, but the But, but let’s be fair, the Freddy movies had a strong degree of suspense and creativity that this one just doesn’t have. Sometimes. Well, you’re right. I mean, look, I mean, they’re all kind of the same, but like, Freddy lives in the dream world, and the, there are very elaborate kind of situations, and sometimes they would escape, or they’d wake up, or things like that, like you never quite knew if he was going to get them at that moment, but you’re right.

We mostly saw it for him and his quippiness and especially towards later movies and we liked him as a character

Craig: But also those movies we did go to specifically for the creative kills because you could do anything in a dream Yeah, and they did and that was and this is different. I mean I do I honestly think that that’s what he’s working towards I think that he’s working towards a larger mythos, but he only started establishing it in the second movie and It’s so piecemeal at this point that I’m not really sure what’s going on like I get that Sienna is like a chosen one But who chose her like and I get that Like her dad kind of knew and it seemed like he kind of her dad’s played by Jason Patrick, by the way Who I never would have recognized.

Todd: Yeah for sure

Craig: and it’s a small role He’s only in a couple of flashbacks, but it seems like He was somehow connected to it in some way or he knew something but he didn’t tell her and like why not and what are the rules at this point it feels futile like she’s killed him once what like every every time we’ve seen him die he has been immediately immediately reanimated

Todd: Yeah.

Craig: The only reason that any time has passed here is because he decided to take a nap. Like, what are the rules? And why, why is he taking a nap? Why wouldn’t, it’s the same. He’s back. He’s beat the shit out of her. She is weak. Just go get her again.

Todd: Yeah. I didn’t get that either. I

Craig: don’t understand that.

Todd: Maybe he needed time to, for his head to fuse back, you know?

I don’t know.

Craig: Like fully or something. Well, and there’s this, maybe, I guess? Oh, or? A healing time, I guess? I don’t know.

Todd: Craig, maybe it’s like a whole, uh, Jeepers Creepers thing where he, every five years, you know, he, you know, He comes back or something.

Craig: Well, that would be new. I don’t know.

Todd: Speculating here.

Craig: You know, Jonathan wrote that letter. She reads that letter. He said all of these things in the second movie. They just had to get him said again. That like, as long as she’s alive, they’re vulnerable and they know that. And so they’ll always be coming after us. Okay.

Todd: By the way, I was really mad at that letter scene, because, for me, and having not seen the second movie, I’m like, this letter’s important, and it is way too long for me to read while in the short amount of time it was up on screen, so I literally paused it, and I was glad I did, because if, you know, if I had not read at least half of that letter, I would have still been in the dark about this whole demon thing, because nobody else really cared.

explains it in the movie. It’s literally this letter and apparently the second movie.

Craig: Well, and I don’t even remember if it was a letter then it may have been, he said all those things to her. He, he figured them out somehow. Again, I don’t really understand how.

Todd: Well, make the letter a little shorter or at least have somebody come up to him and say, you remember what we, what I told you before, right?

You know, this or read it out loud or something like. Throw me a bone here, you know, so I don’t have

Craig: to She says the last line aloud, but that’s not enough context if you don’t know. So, okay, so, I feel like what the movie is trying to do is, it’s paths that are going to converge is just going to take a while, and it does take forever.

Like, I think that he’s making, he’s making his way to her, but he really doesn’t get to her until the very end. Meanwhile, she is just freaking out. She’s been in the mental institution this whole time. Her uncle came and picked her up. I think the uncle is married to the sister of her mom, who was killed in the last movie.

And they have a daughter, Gabby, who apparently Sienna’s really close with. Gabby, I feel like, really kind of becomes the surrogate for Jonathan. She’s the Jonathan of this movie.

Todd: Gotcha.

Craig: So, we’re following their story, and she is like, having hallucinations of her friends that were killed in the last movie, which by the way, it totally was not her fault at all.

Clip: Mm.

Craig: Art was coming after her, they just happened to be in the way. She’s having those hallucinations, and she starts Thinking that she’s seeing art, but she is because then he’s around but like he’s not even like there’s one part Where they’re in the mall and he’s right next to her and he stands and stares at her for a while And then he just walks away and goes to do something else like he doesn’t seem to be in any particular hurry I don’t understand.

Yeah, what is happening?

Todd: You know, this was the thing that kind of annoyed me, is that she’s freaking out, but her freaking out is because she’s having dreams, mostly, and flashbacks to the old one. It just goes on for far too long. Like, I would have expected him to at least be You know, in another movie, what happens here is that The final girl’s friends are getting murdered or at least the people around them at the university or at the high school are getting murdered I’m not saying that this movie has to follow, you know any particular convention I’m, just like that’s what kind of keeps that interesting is that the final girl feels this impending doom Because they see this real evidence around them that Something’s happening.

It’s probably this murderer that I just dispatched coming back for me. I’m freaking out and I need to protect myself but In this it’s just you know, this stuff is sort of happening parallel that she doesn’t even know about I don’t think it’s until this mall scene that she hears about the mall murders and just But she hears

Craig: about it later the murders happen right after that encounter right after she sees him Yeah, they happen right after that, but she doesn’t she learns about it on the news later So even more stuff happens between that You Exactly.

Todd: And it’s, it’s an explosion, ultimately, at the mall. Artist dressed as Santa.

Craig: Yeah, I was gonna say, what I think we should do before time gets away from us is just, I don’t even think sequence matters. But I feel like we should talk about some of these, the setup for some of these kill scenes. Cause the setups are great!

But that’s the thing, like, I don’t know, I don’t want to be too critical because, I ultimately, I did enjoy the movie more than I expected to, but it almost feels, it feels episodic and then they’re like, let’s set up this great scene.

Clip: Yeah.

Craig: And then after that, let’s set up this great scene. Like they don’t, but they don’t tie into a, feel particularly close.

Right. A story.

Todd: Right. Yeah, they don’t tie into a coherent narrative, unless it’s just, you know, you consider it a road movie. These two are just slowly making their way to her, even though, as you said, they could be at her house at any time. Like, it’s not like she’s halfway across the country or anything.

And like you said, he’s literally next to her at one point and just walks away. So it’s not that. It’s just a whole bunch of, Hey, this would be a great scene and a great kill. This would be a great scene, a great kill. Let’s have them do all of these things while Sienna’s freaking out and worrying. But again, she, she only has reason to worry later in the movie when it becomes clear to her that art is back or he might be back because I’m just going to say this explosion, An explosion can happen somewhere.

I’m not sure why you would piece together. Oh my god. That was art and he’s after me Even that incident that causes her to suddenly feel like it’s real doesn’t feel Real

Craig: she thought she saw him But then she was doubting herself because she’s seeing other things too then when she heard that she thought oh, oh It was him.

Oh. I can follow that. I can follow that train of logic. Perhaps. Perhaps.

Todd: Okay.

Craig: That scene, I liked that scene. I thought, and, and, you know, we, we glossed over the opening scene. It’s very violent, and not only does he brutally chop up the parents, but he chops up the kid too. Nobody is safe in these movies.

Nobody. This scene, it made me very anxious because we’ll talk maybe next about how he got the Santa suit. But he’s got a Santa suit and he comes into a mall and he sees a mall Santa, but he takes advantage when the mall Santa goes on break, he sneaks up to the stage and coaxes the children towards him.

And I was like, Oh my God, is this, is he just going to like massacre these children? In broad daylight in front of their parents in the mall. I was thinking that

Todd: too.

Craig: And so I was, because he’s digging in his sack. He’s always digging in his sack and he’s always pulling out something horrible to like, murder you with.

Todd: Yeah, the sack is, is basically um, his toolbox, you know, of, of random. It’s

Craig: Mary Poppins bag, frankly. He could pull a bulldozer out of there. Right. But instead, now, he starts pulling out toys and he’s just giving the kids toys and they’re all happy and I kept waiting. I’m like. Are they gonna be full of razor blades?

Yeah, I did too. Are they gonna come

Todd: to life? Is this like, you know, What was it, Silent Night, Deadly Night 4? Or 5? The Toymaker?

Craig: Yeah, something, something. And I just was surprised that nothing was happening. Everything seemed to be fine. And then they, they grab him and throw him out and he’s resisting slightly, but, you know, He’s going and then it starts cutting back to this boy who’s unwrapping this box and I’m like, Oh, this is the thing.

This is the thing and I, my, my immediate thought was Oh shit, it’s a bomb. Yeah And it was the kid the kid is unwrapping. He goes. I wonder what I got Oh and this big surprisingly some of the some of the kids had seen Scattered, so hopefully it didn’t

Todd: get too many of them. Yeah, surprisingly kind of, um, light on the gore and blood in this one because there’s a big explosion but it’s just fire, you know, and even lingers on the scene for quite a while and it’s just the stuff burning up.

It was a very low budget, typical low budget explosion where people are supposedly dying but you never see body parts flying or, or anybody burning or anything like that and I was actually kind of disappointed. In that respect, because it was very unclear how many people were actually I just had to assume.

I guess the idea is that he blew everybody up. I don’t know.

Craig: The news report said, but I don’t remember how many it said, This is just, you know, again, like I said, I do like, I really like the setups for these scenes, and they are fun scenes. I think that David Howard Thornton is great. I just think he does a really good job.

You know, he has mime experience and one of the documentaries that I watched, the director and everybody who’s had anything to say about him said, he’s just magical. Like he’s just a real life Roger Rabbit. He can just do anything. You know, they, they’re showing him behind the scenes and they’d say, you would never believe that this guy was Art the Clown because he’s so affable and funny and nice and kind.

He just gets the darkness of it. And he said, once he gets a character, it’s. Locked in and he can just turn it off and on and that’s what he does And I think I think he just gives a really good performance. I mean the franchise I think rests on Him.

Clip: Yeah,

Craig: like you said before people are coming to see this character.

Todd: Yeah,

Craig: so that’s a lot of responsibility And I think he’s really gifted

Todd: It is very much like Freddy Krueger and, and Robert Englund, you know, I mean, you couldn’t imagine. Although he didn’t play Arthur Clown in the very first one, but, you know, it was a, it was a short. But it had the same spirit. I

Craig: think that he only took over in the first full length.

feature. Yes. I’m pretty sure that. Correct. The guy who played him before was just a friend of the director. He wasn’t an actor, but he enjoyed doing it when it was just for short periods of time. But I think it was a mutual parting that the director wanted somebody with more experience because his friend was not an actor at all.

And the friend didn’t enjoy the idea of being in that heavy makeup for extended periods of time. So I think they parted on friendly terms. But this, and, and this guy, David Howard Thornton was the sixth person to audition. He improvised. That’s what got him the part. He improvised a kill where he killed somebody and then started carving their flesh and he tasted it and made a yucky face and then started seasoning it with salt and pepper and then eating it again.

And that’s what, that’s what got him the job. But yeah, I mean, these scenes, another scene, this scene actually comes before them all. I’m not even going to remember all the kills because there are so many, but

Clip: The

Craig: scene in the bar was funny. And it was a great Christmas bar scene. Yes, it was. I really liked

Todd: this bit.

Craig: It’s Christmas Eve at the dive bar and it’s just kind of the last scene. Sad stragglers and the corner Santas and stuff and and that’s exactly what you got here It’s just these three guys, you know, one of them Santa one of them’s Clint Howard and one of them’s the

Todd: bartender Yeah, well and the Santa is Daniel Roebuck I mean super familiar face has been in like hundreds of movies and I was surprised to see him in this I thought it was cool.

Craig: I didn’t recognize him. Is he a horror guy? Is he just

Todd: He’s in every like he was in The Fugitive and Final Desti Well, he was um, he was the agent, one of the agents in Final Destination and he’s like in He’s in so much stuff, man. IMDB, I’m looking at it right now, 263 credits.

Craig: Wow. I think that people would not hesitate to do a cameo in these movies.

These movies are wildly successful. They’re wildly successful and they have A devout cult following the people who like these movies love these movies and can’t get enough of them So heck yeah, if I had an opportunity to cameo in one of these movies you bet your ass I

Todd: guess he was in I haven’t seen it, but he was in three from hell I’m just looking right now and I noticed that so Walking dead, mostly not horror, but heck he was in, he was in the remake of Halloween too.

Craig: He’s the Santa and he’s a nice guy. Like Art comes in and starts acting like he’s super, super excited to see Santa. The other guys maybe kind of start to rib him or something. They’re like, no, no, no guys. Uh, he wants to see Santa. He gets the, everybody gets the same show or something like that. And so he humors him.

Clip: And

Craig: I also didn’t know where this was going to go because it seemed like Art was almost genuinely like. Having kind of innocent fun. Yeah, ultimately, I don’t know if he was maybe he was having some fun But as soon as they’ve had enough of him Like he’s sitting on Santa’s lap at the bar and as soon as Santa’s like seriously, buddy That’s enough get off then he starts pissing on him

Todd: You know, and this is another cute thing, which I think a little adds a little bit to this character They get him a drink and he drinks the drink, but he doesn’t like the drink.

It’s like he’s never had alcohol before Or maybe he’s just miming it. I don’t know. But anyway, he spits the drink out of the guy’s face and then pisses all over him. That seems to turn the tables. Unless Art was always planning on killing them. It’s hard to know.

Craig: Probably. He kills everybody. Yeah, but Except maybe that little girl.

I don’t know. He shoots one guy. He starts using guns in part two, which I don’t really like. Slashers who use guns seems too easy. It’s lazy, but he shoots one guy and then kills Clint Howard somehow I don’t really remember how and then he ties Santa up and steals his suit and Tortures him with nitrous oxide, which okay.

That’s that’s something different.

Todd: I appreciated that That was a little thing. He put together in his workshop before he was testing it on rats, right? That was so funny Fine.

Craig: Silly, but funny. And yeah, that’s a fun gag to, you know, freeze a guy and, you know, start shattering his frozen skin and stuff. And Santa had, you know, Art had grabbed his beard and pulled it.

Clip: Hey Santa, looks like you got a fan. What’s with the outfit, pal? Yeah, did the circus come to town? Oh! Oh! Hey, buddy, watch it. That’s the real deal. That’s my, that’s my beard. If Santa doesn’t have a real beard, he’s not a real Santa

Craig: Claus. And I knew as soon as he said that, that was a mistake. And exactly what I thought would happen, happened.

Art rips his beard off and takes it with him.

Todd: Puts it on.

Craig: And that was a fun scene too. It was a fun scene! It was a fun scene. And then there’s the shower scene. I mean, what is there to say?

Todd: Yeah, to, to Who were these people, by the way? Were they friends? These were, these

Craig: were randos. This was Jonathan, the brother’s college roommate and his girlfriend, who is also a douchey podcaster.

That’s right. Who wants to get them on her podcast.

Todd: I like that. Now we’re starting to see a lot of douchey podcasters in, uh, in movies. This is the second one this month. Yeah. I’m starting to get triggered, man.

Craig: Yeah, I think they’re onto us.

Todd: Well, they go into late at night and I don’t even remember where. Is it a school? I guess it’s supposed to be the shower room at the school and some locker.

Craig: It’s like a, it’s like a frat party. I thought there was going to be more to this frat party because they made a big deal out of it. But the only thing that happens that I remember is she promises to f k him if He’ll try to get his roommate or the roommate’s sister on the podcast.

Todd: Yeah, that’s right.

Craig: So then they go down to the shower and They

Todd: do it. In the shower, alone, and Art sneaks up on them, pulls out of his bag, like you said, very improbably, a chainsaw, starts it right outside. She’s like, what’s that? And then just breaks through the door and chainsaws the both of them. Um, he kind of manages to slip out on a broken leg and is crawling across the floor.

And after he basically just hacks her to pieces inside the shower, as he’s crawling away, Art takes the chainsaw right up the middle starting at his groin. And that was, uh, that was pretty gross. But, again, not the first time he’s seen somebody just cut someone up from the groin to the head. I don’t know.

Is there a term for that?

Craig: I don’t

Todd: know. I don’t know. Anyway.

Craig: And so now we are finally, finally, the only other important thing that we need to know is that in talking to her brother, Sienna thinks that Art is back and so she needs to go back to the city. scene of the finale of the last movie to find that knife.

We don’t see her do that, but we see her come home with a box gift wrapped and her hands are filthy. So we are, we know that she dug it up and she’s wrapped it in a box and hid it in the back of the Christmas tree. There’s at some point there’s the shining, but I don’t remember when that happens.

Todd: Oh, well it’s, it’s at the house, right?

I think this is the finale bit where they’re in the house, Art shows up. I don’t remember exactly how he manifests himself.

Craig: She just wakes up. Okay. So, so Sienna’s. Aunt drugged her and gave her sedatives not before Sienna talked to her brother and said you better come here and he said okay I’ll

Clip: come

Craig: the uncle went off to get him.

He called him on the phone. He’s like, I’m I’m outside Where are you and the kid’s like, where are you? And he’s like, well, I’m right outside your dorm now We learned in the last movie that they can Mimic people’s voices, and they did this on the phone. It was mostly the little girl, who’s not in this movie, by the way.

It was mostly her that was doing it in the last movie, but they can do that. And so, I knew this was the setup. I didn’t know if you would or not. But so, Sienna wakes up in her bed, and goes downstairs, and Art and Victoria are just there! And Art is crucifying, apparently Art carried that body from the frat house to her house to crucify it up on the wall.

I don’t even know what the other crazy is doing.

Todd: She’s got a crown of thorns on. Remember she put on a crown of thorns, he put a crown of thorns on her at some point. This is maybe one of the few. Christmas horror movies that we’ve seen so far that, that dare to have Jesus imagery in it as well as Santa

Craig: imagery.

Oh my god, there was also a weird weird scene where she, Sienna was dreaming and she saw like the Virgin Mary overseeing a demon forging this Sword? Yeah. That was so weird.

Todd: That was so bizarre. I thought, this is gonna come into play later. You know, maybe a later movie, right? This, this looks like something from the past or whatever?

I don’t know.

Craig: It’s nothing we’ve seen before.

Todd: Wasn’t it forging the sword she was gonna use to Yes. Yes.

Craig: So, again, it is suggesting a much larger mythology that surely they’re going to explore later. But, he gets the better of her somehow, he knocks her out or something with a mallet, and when she wakes up again, she and her aunt are both tied up in chairs.

This finale really does go pretty quickly. You think so? What? I thought so. I thought it was pretty long. Victoria is taunting Sienna and ultimately she says something I wrote it down, but I’m not gonna look for it. She says something like I’m who?

Todd: Jess Right? The ant, right. They’re both sitting there.

That’s her ants. Yeah, her ants. They’re both sitting there tied up. And she starts kind of tormenting the ant first, right?

Craig: Basically what she tells Sienna is I’m going to take everything that you love. Or I’m going to destroy everything that you love. So they do. She and Art do. Oh my god. God, I, I was saying, I was saying it wasn’t creative and I lied.

I forgot about some of these kills. This one was gross. This one I read that the actor, art, the actor, this one made him physically ill. You want to tell about it?

Todd: I mean, well they show her a cage. They show the aunt a cage. Which has a, basically a skinless head in it that’s being eaten by rats and tell her that it’s Gabby’s.

So she freaks out and then they grab her and basically he has a big acrylic tube that he pulls out of his bag, hammers it down her throat, and then they pull the rats out of that cage and they force them down her throat and then as the rats are about, I don’t know, down into her throat and who knows where, he slits her throat and the rats come out the throat and She’s obviously very dead.

I, it’s just like really, really creative, I suppose. Wasn’t, isn’t that to take it off of some kind of, um, ancient torture that the Greeks used to do or something like that? I don’t know. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of this one before, but

Craig: maybe. I have no idea. It’s, yeah, yeah, kinda, but I’m not sure either. At some point, Gabi shows up, and I’m not sure why they don’t kill Gabi right away.

That seems weird. If they’re really trying to destroy everything that she loves, I don’t get it. Cause she obviously loves Gabi the most. But, Victoria tries to possess Sienna, and it, like, it seems like it’s starting to work. Like, both of their eyes are glowing red, but Sienna’s still too strong. Yeah. So, Victoria says I’m gonna take everything you love, and

Clip: then I’m gonna invade that pretty pink flesh of yours and destroy you from the inside out, just like I did this bitch.

But first, I have a confession to make. That’s not Gabby. Okay,

Craig: well I’ll kill Gabby and then You’ll be totally empty and you’ll lose all will to fight me and she goes and acts like she’s going to and Art’s there with her And Gabby says I’m sorry. I didn’t get to give you my christmas present And for what reason Victoria’s like, Would you like to have your present?

And Sienna’s like, Yeah. And she’s like, Would you like to open it yourself? I’m like, Why is she doing this?

Todd: I know this is so weird. So then instead of freeing her by cutting her bonds, Art comes over with a hammer, smashes both of her hands into bloody messes, then cuts her bonds. And I’m like, Well, she can’t open her present now.

But this woman perceiv Her hands would be USELESS. Her hands looked useless when she held them up. They were exactly like you would expect them to look. But then, the movie completely ignores that for the rest of the movie. And I’ll tell ya, that really bothered me. I was like, come on, how lazy is this? Why would you even do that?

Cause then, she opens the gift, and it’s the sword. And that makes all the difference. That was a big miscalculation on Victoria’s part. But anyway, I know she’s got the sword and now she’s can hold this heavy sword and swing it around and leap around the room

Craig: and her hands are fine. I’m not being sarcastic when I say.

I think she’s a superhero. Like, I really do. You’re right. I think that she I do. I think that in the movie, she is some sort of super She’s like Buffy or something.

Todd: It makes it clear, because at some point I don’t think she even knows

Craig: that. Yeah.

Todd: Yeah, because at some point, the ground opens up. So she It looks like she’s got the best of them.

Well, she kills the

Craig: woman.

Todd: Right.

Craig: She, she decapitates the woman and the, the light goes out in her eyes, in the woman’s eyes. So it seems like she’s dead.

Todd: And then Art has disappeared out the window, right? Like she turns around and he’s gone.

Craig: They, well, no, there’s a big moment. She’s fighting him and she gets the best of him, too.

But that’s when the floor opens up. That’s when the floor opens up. We’ve seen these hellmouths before. There was a hellmouth in the finale of the last one too, but I don’t recall it just like opening up out of nowhere. I don’t really understand why that happened. I guess it was like fog started coming out of Victoria’s body and it like ate away at the floor or something.

But just as Victoria is about to best art, she’s got him pinned to the wall with the sword in him. All she has to do is finish it, just push it all the way in. But in that very moment, the girl dies. And Art looks at her, and the conversation, you know, the subtext between them is, You have to make a choice.

You can kill me, or you can save her.

Todd: Yeah.

Craig: So she makes the choice to save her.

Todd: Yeah, she doesn’t die, she falls into the hell pit, but she’s like, hanging on by a thread. Right. So she grabs the sword, and she, because it’s the only thing she can find, And she holds the blade end With her hands and asks her to grab the handle and so the she grabs the handle but The sword slips out of her hands and it cuts her hands and the girl

Craig: it’s a knife blade Yeah, of course knife blade.

Come on, you dummy.

Todd: Don’t do

Craig: that. And so the girl falls in anyway And the hole closes up and then She turns around and art is gone, you know He’s he the window’s open and he’s gone

Todd: and she looks at her hands And we see that her wounds on her hands mystically heal right in front of us So you’re right we can explain away the smashed hands.

Craig: She has to be there’s no other explanation Yeah, there’s no other explanation because there’s no way that she could survive The beatings that she’s been given in these last two movies. It’s impossible. To be fair, her brother in the last one gets pretty beat up too, but I don’t know. He’s her brother, maybe he’s special.

At some point, they said that that head was not really Gabby, which we know because we’ve seen her alive, but they insinuate that it was the brother. Now, we don’t see the brother die on screen, and I know horror movies. They are leaving that door open on purpose. Yeah.

Todd: They can bring

Craig: him back if they want to.

They

Todd: got a lot of doors open in this movie. You

Craig: Yeah, they do it because she says, I’ll find you. I promise. Like, okay, great. I guess I got to see part four now. We see art just sitting at a snowy bus stop and like the Christmas music is playing again And he just gets on the bus and the woman on the bus is reading a book called the ninth circle Which was the title of the original short that art was in and the bus drives away And that’s just

Todd: the end, right?

Uh, yeah, it is. I think probably the next one, part four, is gonna be Art Goes to Hell, or something like that, right? It’s gotta be. I have

Craig: no idea. I don’t know where they’re planning on taking it.

Todd: I mean, or she’s gotta go to hell to find her.

Craig: Well, it seems like they are invested in this through line. With Sienna.

It seems like she has emerged as the Laurie Strode of this franchise.

Todd: Right, and like you said, she’s like a literal superhero. Like, she’s got a costume ready and everything, like her dad drew it. And you’re right, she wore it, I guess, in the second movie, right? So.

Craig: Yeah, she made it and wore it.

Todd: Maybe this will be a, become a superhero franchise.

Ha ha ha! Aren’t the clown is the, is the Joker?

Craig: Yeah, I don’t know. You know, I, all of the things that I can tell that you are Are not fond of I understand and I really agree with you on on those fronts Well,

Todd: don’t get me wrong. I I still enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed it way more than I enjoyed the first one I’ll tell you that because at least there was a story of sorts Even though I couldn’t necessarily pick it apart or understand it or I got a little impatient with it I appreciated the fact it wasn’t just a guy in a warehouse murdering a bunch of people Although like I said, you know in a real sense, that’s what the first hour and a half kind of is Yeah, at least it’s far more interesting You know, and there’s a story building.

It’s obvious they’re trying to do something with it. And I appreciated that. I heard that Damien Leone is only interested in doing like one more and that’s it. But I can’t see why somebody else wouldn’t pick it up if the next one is just as successful as this one. You know, I mean, if you’re David Howard Thornton, you’re sitting here happy as a clam.

I’m sure.

Craig: Yeah. He’s icon status at this point. I mean he could make a living just doing cons, right? But I I would really be interested to see what you thought of the second one because frankly I think that the second one is a better movie than this one

Clip: Oh,

Craig: and that makes sense to me because they had a long time They could really take care with it.

Not that I don’t think that they took care with this I do they had a lot more help on this and that makes a difference too, but I think the story is better but I like this one because It is through and through a Christmas movie. It is. It is saturated in Christmas imagery. Art

Todd: is basically a killer Santa for half of it.

Craig: It is. I mean, it’s in the vein of Silent Night, Deadly Night, whatever. But honestly, like I want to see. The Christmas episode, you know, I like Christmas episodes of TV shows. I wish more film franchises like this would do a Christmas episode, do a Halloween episode, do a Christmas episode. You know, people have been shouting out for a Jason in the wintertime movie for a decade.

You know, people want to see these familiar faces in different Circumstances. Yeah, dress art up as Santa for one of the movies. I love it. And I’m not as fervent a fan as some people are. Our friend Caroline is a huge fan of these movies and I, I’m sure that she, if she hasn’t seen it already, I’m sure that she’s waiting with bated breath to see it.

So for those fans, I get it and I’m happy that That you have something like this, and, and I’m with you, I’m just a little bit out on the fringe, I’m not as fervent about it. I’m happy that you have something like this, because these were, especially for me growing up, Freddy and Jason and, and Mike Myers, I, I so looked forward.

To every new installment, even if it was bad, I looked forward to it. Yeah, it definitely has that flavor. I’m glad, I’m glad that people have that. And it was fun. I’m glad we did it for our ultimate Christmas episode. It put me in the spirit. It really did.

Todd: It was a special. Solid christmas horror movie with plenty of homages to classic christmas horror movies.

We had our killer santa We had a lot of christmas stuff. It had that nice heartwarming holiday message of you know, family is important And uh, yeah, it was great it was a great thing to do for christmas It was a great way to wrap up this year. We are going to be coming at you again with another New Year’s episode next week.

So stay tuned for that. Thank you so much for joining us on this journey this year. We are really grateful at this time of year for all of you out there, whether you’re our patrons or whether you are just a long time listener or a fresh new listener. One of the best Christmas presents you can give us is just to introduce this podcast to a friend, wrap it all up in a box with a pretty wrapping paper and a nice bow and hand it to a horror fan that you love.

We love to welcome new people into the Two Guys in a Chainsaw family. Until next time, I’m Todd,

Craig: and I’m Craig. Merry Christmas.

Todd: Happy Holidays. Merry Christmas indeed, from all of us here at Two Guys and a Chainsaw.

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