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Fallacious Arguments by Rogue Calvinists

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Warren McGrew joins me again to respond to another really bad argument by a rogue Calvinist. We will specifically address the Calvinistic interpretation of Romans 8:7-9 as it relates to the "ordo salutis" (logical order of events in salvation) from the Reformed/Calvinistic perspective, which is based on logic that goes something like this:

1. If you're in the flesh you cannot please God

2. Believing in Christ would please God

3. Therefore, you cannot believe in Jesus because that would please God

Which is a non-sequitur. This example makes the fallacy very clear:

1. If you're playing in mud you cannot please mom.

2. Leaving the mud and cleaning up would please mom.

3. Therefore, you cannot leave the mud and clean up because that would please mom.

The Calvinist comes to the text with presumptions that simply are not supported by this text, or any other.

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Warren McGrew joins me again to respond to another really bad argument by a rogue Calvinist. We will specifically address the Calvinistic interpretation of Romans 8:7-9 as it relates to the "ordo salutis" (logical order of events in salvation) from the Reformed/Calvinistic perspective, which is based on logic that goes something like this:

1. If you're in the flesh you cannot please God

2. Believing in Christ would please God

3. Therefore, you cannot believe in Jesus because that would please God

Which is a non-sequitur. This example makes the fallacy very clear:

1. If you're playing in mud you cannot please mom.

2. Leaving the mud and cleaning up would please mom.

3. Therefore, you cannot leave the mud and clean up because that would please mom.

The Calvinist comes to the text with presumptions that simply are not supported by this text, or any other.

To get your copy of Dr. Flowers new book, Drawn By Jesus, go here: https://a.co/d/6s767Ey

To SUPPORT this broadcast, please click here: https://soteriology101.com/support/

Subscribe to the Soteriology 101 Newsletter here: www.soteriology101.com/newsletter

Is Calvinism all Leighton talks about? https://soteriology101.com/2017/09/22/is-calvinism-all-you-talk-about/

DOWNLOAD OUR APP:

LINK FOR ANDROIDS: https://play.google.com/store/apps/de...

LINK FOR APPLE: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/soterio...

Go to www.ridgemax.co for all you software development needs! Show them some love for their support of Soteriology101!!!

To ORDER Dr. Flowers Curriculum “Tiptoeing Through Tulip,” please click here: https://soteriology101.com/shop/

To listen to the audio only, be sure to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, or one of the other podcast players found here: https://soteriology101.com/home/

For more about Traditionalism (or Provisionism), please visit www.soteriology101.com

Dr. Flowers’ book, “The Potter’s Promise,” can be found here: https://a.co/d/iLKpahj

Dr. Flowers’ book, “God’s Provision for All” can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Provision...

To engage with other believers cordially join our Facebook group: https://m.facebook.com/groups/1806702...

For updates and news, follow us at: www.facebook/Soteriology101

Or @soteriology101 on Twitter

Please SHARE on Facebook and Twitter and help spread the word!

To learn more about other ministries and teachings from Dr. Flowers, go here: https://soteriology101.com/2017/09/22...

To become a Patreon supporter or make a one-time donation: https://soteriology101.com/support/

#LeightonFlowers #Calvinism #Theology

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