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Movement Logic: Strong Opinions, Loosely Held

Dr. Sarah Court, PT, DPT and Laurel Beversdorf

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Welcome to the Movement Logic Podcast, with yoga teacher and strength coach Laurel Beversdorf, and physical therapist Dr. Sarah Court. With over 30 years combined experience in the yoga, movement and physical therapy worlds, we believe in strong ideas, loosely held – which means we’re not hyping outdated movement concepts. Instead, we’re here with up-to-date and cutting-edge tools, evidence and ideas to help you as a mover and a teacher. Music: Makani by Scandinavianz & AXM
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The Thinking Practitioner

Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe

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Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
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Dr. of Physical Therapy, Caitlin Casella speaks with professionals in healthcare, therapeutic movement and exercise, strength and conditioning, athletic training, and bodywork. Interviews focus on the overlapping layers of health and wellness with belief structures, social engagement, economic and environmental factors, and sustaining robust activity later in life. Questions that drive Caitlin’s work and curation of the Practice Human Podcast examine systemic factors which create barriers to ...
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My name is Jake Panasevich, and I’m a yoga teacher with a focus on teaching men and athletes - from your everyday dad to professional athletes. And I’m also a lifestyle science journalist and I link my yoga practice and habits to evidence based medicine, outcomes and research. Which honestly, often gets lost in a yoga practice. I want to provide you, my audience with as much value as possible and that’s why I started this: the Yoga with Jake podcast, where I tap into my access to world-renow ...
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Whether it’s anatomy, exploring yoga traditions, or discussing the unspoken aspects of teaching yoga, this podcast is for those tired of superficial yoga narratives. Brea Johnson, founder of Heart & Bones Yoga, a globally recognized online platform for anatomy-informed yoga and inclusive practices for both yoga teachers and everyday people, interviews experts, shares crucial insights and provides education for both yoga students and teachers. Join Brea for real conversations that challenge, ...
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Kathryn H Schmitz, Ph.D., M.P.H., FACSM, FSBM, FTOS, FNAK, FSEM, is a Professor in the division of Hematology and Oncology at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. She serves as the Associate Director of Population Science, Co-leader of the Biobehavioral Cancer Control program, Co-leader of the UPMC Hillman Survivorship program and Direc…
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Welcome to Episode 83 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this Inbetweenie episode, Sarah discusses the importance of ‘banking’ capacities like strength, balance, and endurance, in order to have the best possible last 10 years of your life. Drawing from some real-life encounters, she compares how two very different lifestyle choices have led to two v…
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Dr. Harden founded and directs the Physical Activity Research and Community Implementation (PARCI) Laboratory within the department of Human Nutrition, Foods, and Exercise at Virginia Tech. As a registered yoga instructor and academic, she uses science and the personal experience of clients, patients, and participants to promote physical activity. …
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A new study shows that our fingertips lose sensitivity as we age. What are the implications for massage and bodywork practitioners? Tune in and listen as Til and Whitney think it through, and along the way, share fascinating tidbits about tactile sensitivity training, and its relevance to actual practice. Key Topics: •Introduction and Sponsor Messa…
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Scott Glassman, Psy.D. is a licensed psychologist and author of A Happier You: A Seven-Week Program to Transform Negative Thinking into Positivity and Resilience. Dr. Glassman founded and currently directs the Master of Applied Positive Psychology program at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. His seven-week wellness program, A Happie…
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Welcome to Season 5, Episode 82 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah navigate the worlds of science, pseudoscience, and outdated science. We’ll be looking at claims from a range of topics, including crystals, Reiki, and Ayurveda, to personality tests, fad diets, yoga, Pilates, physical therapy and CAM treatments. Our dis…
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Christina Sell has been practicing asana since 1991 and teaching since 1998. Known for her passion, clarity and creativity, Christina’s teaching style is a dynamic and challenging blend of inspiration, humor and hard work. Masterful at synthesis, her ability to harvest and transmit the unique contributions of various yoga methods is unparalleled. C…
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Bio Macklen Mayse is a strong believer that every woman should lift heavy things. That's why she specializes in weight lifting and mobility for women. Macklen was born and raised in a woodland area of Kansas City. She fell in love with fitness during graduate school while making durational performance art, video art and kinetic sculpture. She compr…
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Whitney interviews tendon expert Dr. Jill Cook, who discusses the current understanding of tendinopathy as a degenerative condition, emphasizing the importance of proper loading in rehabilitation. She explains why she advises against traditional treatments like friction massage and stretching, why anti-inflammatory medications are ineffective, and …
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Welcome to Episode 81 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah talk to four women who took the Bone Density Course: Lift for Longevity last year about their experiences. Whether it’s reversing an osteoporosis diagnosis, to feeling more capable in all aspects of their lives, each woman has a unique perspective on their experi…
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Dr. David Sacks is a psychotherapist, performance consultant, writer, and coach. An alumnus of Stanford and Florida State Universities, David has been a licensed psychologist since 2007, practicing in Tennessee and Florida. He completed his internship and postdoctoral fellowship at Vanderbilt University. As both a therapist and consultant, David he…
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Welcome to Episode 80 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah are joined by Dr. Beth Linker, PhD. Beth Linker, a former physical therapist, is an author and professor of the history of science, disability, and medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. Her most recent book, Slouch: Posture Panic in Modern America, reveals …
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Dr. Goldenberg is the Associate Director of the Helfgott Research Institute. He is passionate about how we evaluate and utilize evidence. He is an NIH-funded researcher with numerous publications in high-impact scientific journals such as JAMA and the BMJ. He is faculty for the Academy of Integrative Health and Medicine as well as Helfgott, where h…
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In this episode, Til and Whitney dive into strategies for addressing low back pain (LBP) with hands-on work, exploring LBP's prevalence, causes, and treatments. Sharing the insights they've gained from experts such as Nikolai Bogduk, Stewart McGill, Paul Hodges, Lorimer Moseley, Helene Langevin and Antonio Stecco, they lay out the diverse views on …
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Welcome to episode 79 of the Movement Logic Podcast! Laurel and Sarah explore whether yoga strengthens bones, examining Yoga U's claims and Dr. Loren Fishman’s controversial study. We'll uncover how Yoga U often exaggerates or cherry-picks evidence while overlooking effective bone-building exercises like heavy resistance and impact training. In thi…
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Laurel Beversdorf is an international yoga educator, certified strength and conditioning specialist, and E-RYT 500 with a BFA in Acting from Ithaca College. She empowers individuals to discover they are stronger than they thought, inspiring them to ask, "If I can do this, what else is possible?" Laurel created the Yoga with Resistance Bands teacher…
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Welcome to Episode 78 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss what current science, versus outdated advice and conventional wisdom, have to say about the knees—namely whether “bone on bone” is a thing, and if deep squats, knee valgus aka “knee cave”, or high impact are inherently bad for your knees. Learn what resea…
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Dr. Julia C. Basso is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Human Nutrition, Foods, and Exercise at Virginia Tech and the Director of The Embodied Brain Laboratory. She also holds affiliate faculty positions in the Virginia Tech School of Neuroscience and is a Fellow at both the Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology and the Center fo…
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In your teacher training you learn so many different aspects of yoga but rarely do we talk about the things that actually make a good yoga teacher. This informative lesson will share the five most important aspects of being an effective and confident yoga teacher. You won't learn this in (most) teacher trainings and quite often will learn it the ha…
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Til and Whitney speak with fascial researcher, anatomist, and manual therapy teacher Antonio Stecco MD PhD about his research in to fascial properties, pain, and the effects of hands-on work, in this audience-favorite episode from our archives, where it originally ran as Ep. 53. Key Topics: Introduction to Dr. Antonio Stecco and his background in f…
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 77 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah dive into the history of how DEXA scans came to be so ubiquitous, what are the risks around osteoporosis medication, and whether osteoporosis and osteopenia were intended to be diagnoses in the first place. You will learn: How was the DEXA score for …
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Josh Izewski is a professional runner who won this year's Philly 10k with a time of 29:48, that’s a 4:48 mile pace! He joins me to discuss his win at the Philly 10k, his performance at Olympic trials and what it's like to be a professional runner. He provides great advice for runners of every level on self-awareness, injury prevention, pace, diet a…
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In this episode of the Yoga Teacher Hotline, Brea answers three submitted questions from yoga instructors: Handling Students Who Deviate in Class: What should you do when a student consistently does their own thing during your class? Responding to Medical and Health Inquiries: How can you address situations when students seek medical or health advi…
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 76 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this second episode in our Posture Panic series, Laurel and Sarah take a deep dive into the currently available research around posture to debunk some of the long held beliefs around posture, pain prevention, muscle activation, and more. You will learn: Does good posture keep you …
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Hilary Achauer is a San Diego-based freelance writer covering health, fitness, and wellness. Her work has appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Slate, and she spends her free time surfing, lifting weights, and working on her first novel. Click here to visit her website! Support the show…
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What if strength training could revolutionize not just your fitness, but your entire approach to health and well-being? In this episode of the Heart and Bones podcast, Brea Johnson sits down with Sarah Court, a physical therapist, and Laurel Beversdorf, a yoga teacher and personal trainer, to explore the transformative power of building strength an…
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🎙️ Grief affects everyone: every person, every practitioner, and every client will lose something important to them, whether it’s their youth, ability, dreams, or a loved one. And so, everyone will grieve. In this episode, Whitney interviews Til about how the recent loss of his wife has given him a new perspective on grieving, and being with others…
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Dr. Erica Sharpe is a clinical human researcher at the National University of Natural Medicine, and a professor of chemistry at SUNY Canton. Erica specializes in yoga nidra (yogic sleep) and natural medicine. She joins me for a follow-up conversation about the content of a traditional yoga nidra practice and why it is important to follow it. Yoga n…
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Bio Juniper is dedicated to helping plus-size individuals discover the joy and benefits of exercise beyond weight loss. After struggling with his weight for most of his life and experiencing the frustration of restrictive diets and ineffective workout routines, he found a transformative experience in a welcoming HIIT class. This shift in focus from…
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 75 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah are joined by Nikki Naab-Levy, strength coach and hypermobility specialist. You will learn: What is hypermobility and how does it differ from flexibility What are the Ehlers-Danlos Syndromes and how do they differ from Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder…
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What if strength training could transform not just your body, but your entire approach to life? Dr. Marcia, a physical therapist and powerlifting strong woman, shares her empowering journey on the Heart and Bones podcast. She challenges conventional views on fitness, revealing how strength training benefits everyone, including those with chronic il…
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Dr. Kate Pate is a PhD neurophysiologist, coach, entrepreneur, and researcher. Her doctoral research focused on respiratory neurophysiology and understanding the brain-breath-body connection. She explored her fascination around this subject further and through a different lens by later becoming a yoga, meditation, and breathwork instructor. This in…
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In this episode of the NAF Adam talks with two of his favorite people from across the pond in the USA and the hosts of his new favorite podcast Movement Logic and thats Dr Sarah Court and Laurel Beversdorf They discuss their work on promoting heavy lifting in the older female population and their recent excellent breakdown of Stu McGills recent pod…
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In this episode Whitney interviews Laurel Beversdorf and Dr. Sarah Court (co-hosts of the Movement Logic Podcast) to talk about movement, exercise, and rehabilitation. They discuss topics such as the misconceptions surrounding strength training and its impact on flexibility and mobility, strength training for women, posture, movement re-education, …
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What if yoga could build strength in ways you never imagined? Jules Mitchell, an expert in yoga biomechanics, explains that yoga involves both strength and flexibility, emphasizing the importance of the nervous system's role in strength development. Strength is not just about muscle size but also about coordination and motor unit recruitment. Yoga …
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Beth Linker, a former physical therapist, is an author and professor of the history of science, disability, and medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. Her most recent book, Slouch: Posture Panic in Modern America, reveals the little-known and surprising origins of our fears and ideas about poor posture. Her writing has appeared in The Boston G…
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Bio Giulia Pline’s journey has evolved from a career as a professional dancer to becoming an educator of movement and now a Doctoral student in Physical Therapy. Her experiences, including several injuries, inspired her to pursue extensive studies in anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, and biomechanics. The years she spent healing and recovering from…
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 74 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this unplanned episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss Stu McGill’s recent appearance on the Huberman podcast. In Episode 62, we identified McGill’s big themes around movement. In this episode, we go through his appearance on Huberman to see if he’s still promoting the same ideas or if …
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Strength goes beyond the physical in yoga, encompassing mental, emotional, and spiritual dimensions. In this episode, Brea Johnson chats with Tejal Patel, a first-generation Indian American yoga teacher, writer, podcaster, and community organizer, about redefining strength through yoga. Tejal shares her insights on how yoga's deeper teachings can h…
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Dr Torkil Færø is a GP and emergency physician, documentary filmmaker, author and photographer. Over a 26-year career as a freelance doctor, he has worked all over Norway, had hundred thousand consultations and thus gained a unique picture of the diseases that plague us. He learned that the cause is most often found in the stresses our lifestyles p…
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